Has anyone totalled Signal Data income?

@Winterwolves

Kind of off topic, sorry Seedy.

No, no. It's on topic. I'm exploring what we're asked to invest for the raid, and you were doing that, even if you were exploring a bit of a different side of that calculation than SD. Thanks for your contribution.


@Starslayer @Profit
Thanks for your contributions as well. Profit is right in saying,

As far as I can tell it is a call to look into the numbers, so just shooting it down as flawed is a bit strong I think.

Right. I was never saying that I had the final calculation at 132 days. I specifically said that it ignored a bunch of income and I was wondering how much that other income changed that calculation.

And yes, Starslayer, you're right that I'm endgame in the sense that I don't have any old toons to farm or gear anymore, not that are priorities anyway. I've got about 30 toons at g12 that I will slowly transition to r1, but none of them are important in any sense. Maybe 5 or 6 of them are useful, but I'm not hurting because I lack them. They'll get to relics first, but I'm not worried about exactly when.

@Drathuk916

For the entirety of the raid, I think the investment is on the high side and the ROI is on the low end. This is magnified by speeder bike being the opposite.

Right. It's hard to say right now, of course, but GL Leia was a highly requested (and much beloved) character from the movies. Previous incarnations of Leia had been vastly underwhelming and Endor was a place where she had a central part of the entire battle from planning to execution, and without her raid on the shield generator blowing up the 2nd Death Star wouldn't have been possible.

So you get a fan favourite AND a GL (which is better, to me anyway, then an iconic character and GL that you don't love, like Jabba whom we can appreciate as a character but none of us spent out childhoods hoping we'd grow up to be) plus a whole lot of legacy toons, some of which people had at high relics for RotE platoons.

With 5-toon squads (it looks like) and 8 new toons (possibly 10, but let's not be hasty) that are going to be required at r7 and desired at r8 for effective raid participation, it certainly has the initial appearance of being more investment for the same reward.

And the investment seems only more disproportionate given that very few people were clamouring for Gungans -- personally I'd just take them to g12+0 and leave them there out a sense of Pokemon completeness but never use them if not for the raid, the Gungans were terrible characters in the movie with no personality or development (though give them credit for art design) -- I'm going to have to hold my nose as I slap relic tiers on them. I doubt many people were holding their noses to relic up Captain Rex or GL Leia. And while some people considered Drogan a diversity hire in the worst sense of that phrase, I loved him from the start, and the effort that CG was making. And whatever you think about disability inclusion, he's still 1 toon, not 5.

So, yes. It seems like CG is making a big ask and thus my original post. I've made no final judgements, but I'll be thinking about SD budgets as well as JarJar.

I know that it came out since that the actor who played JarJar is a man of color who came up with JarJar's speech patterns on his own, and his emulation of certain patterns of Caribbean patois came from an honest love for the place and its people, but when the movie came out the hapless, subservient nature of the JarJar character combined with those speech patterns came across as shockingly racist. That taint has never left.

Honestly, when I heard the fan theory that JarJar was Darth Plagueis manipulating events while disguising his power, I loved it. It would have redeemed everything about the character. he wouldn't actually be hapless and subservient, so his adoption of the accent (or even had it been his natural voice) wouldn't be reinforcing a racist trope, but reinforcing a disguise used by the powerful.

Sadly, that was not to be, and so regardless of the actor's intent, I've just never been able to even mildly like the character. He grates on me horribly. It's possible that JarJar's inclusion is also emotionally making this seem like even a bigger ask, though I've tried very hard to think carefully through things and not let my loathing for JarJar affect my arguments.

And I'm not saying that CG could have a Naboo raid and ignore JarJar. I get it.

I'm mostly just saying that JarJar can be made as powerful as they want and he's still no GL Leia. Or Captain Rex. Or even Drogan.