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"gunnymeden;c-2092855" wrote:
There are ways of solving the OP's problem. The top 100 of every shard would hate it :)

• remove crystal income from the arenas and replace them with gear prize boxes like in raids
  
• add more crystals to GAC, for example 2 for setting defence, 5 for winning on offence, and improve league promotion crystals like 5-fold
  
• add/increase crystal income elsewhere (harder GW, add to raids, 9-level battles like x1 crystal at certain drop rate)
  
• make arenas the (aside from gear/currency rewards) as the practice sandboxes people were asking
  
• on the first of each months in a round robin shuffle each even and odd position into the next shard
  
• add portraits/achievements titles for the 1st, top 10, top 20, to 50
  

This will incentivize the GAC play (more like the arena anyway, that has both squads and fleets) and will take care of the OP's problem and many others's problem and should not disincentivize arenas for most. It may or may not be a problem for the top 100 and spenders that keep this game going, the impact of such a solution needs to be studied from the game's economy perspective.

I hope the devs are listening ;) @CG_SBCrumb ? Probably not, but anyway...

Now let's the flame wars and troll wars begin \/ \/ \/ haha, as I am sure this will not be popular among some participants here :)

its not about the top 100 in arena, players who love GAC will love this, players who do not will not.

from the economy perspective, I would imagine that this wouldn't work. the prizes to be "even" to what they are now would be a very large increase in crystals going out. As a whole there are a lot more first place winners in GAC than there are for arena.

"TVF;c-2092859" wrote:
I continue to be glad the forums aren't in charge.

Respectfully agree :)

"Kyno;c-2092863" wrote:

"gunnymeden;c-2092855" wrote:
There are ways of solving the OP's problem. The top 100 of every shard would hate it :)

• remove crystal income from the arenas and replace them with gear prize boxes like in raids
  
• add more crystals to GAC, for example 2 for setting defence, 5 for winning on offence, and improve league promotion crystals like 5-fold
  
• add/increase crystal income elsewhere (harder GW, add to raids, 9-level battles like x1 crystal at certain drop rate)
  
• make arenas the (aside from gear/currency rewards) as the practice sandboxes people were asking
  
• on the first of each months in a round robin shuffle each even and odd position into the next shard
  
• add portraits/achievements titles for the 1st, top 10, top 20, to 50
  

This will incentivize the GAC play (more like the arena anyway, that has both squads and fleets) and will take care of the OP's problem and many others's problem and should not disincentivize arenas for most. It may or may not be a problem for the top 100 and spenders that keep this game going, the impact of such a solution needs to be studied from the game's economy perspective.

I hope the devs are listening ;) @CG_SBCrumb ? Probably not, but anyway...

Now let's the flame wars and troll wars begin \/ \/ \/ haha, as I am sure this will not be popular among some participants here :)

its not about the top 100 in arena, players who love GAC will love this, players who do not will not.

from the economy perspective, I would imagine that this wouldn't work. the prizes to be "even" to what they are now would be a very large increase in crystals going out. As a whole there are a lot more first place winners in GAC than there are for arena.

I agree. But that would solve the OP's problem ;) Not unreasonably a the same time :) Regardless whatever the solution or status quo, there will be always players who would like it or those who would not. So long as the game makes money, that's the main drive for CG to solve something or leave it be.

"MasterSeedy;c-2092825" wrote:
@Waqui

I see no justification for having free rank 1 rewards handed to you without having to fight for them. That's not much of an arena to me. And I doubt it will stop people coordinating in shard chats.

But you do fight for them. You just fight for them every 3 days instead of every day.

You only fight for them every 3-4 days whereas players who only reach 2nd place or lower need to fight for their rewards every day. I see no justification for those free rewards. I wouldn't see justification for free rank 1 TW rewards or free rank 1 raid rewards either.

Players would still coordinate in shard chats. And those that aim to lock others out would still coordinate to do so. They would just change the schedules.

@MasterSeedy that is a crazy idea (in a good way), but doesn't necessarily solve anything. Chats would just get bigger to help coordinate who gets what, if a chat doesn't want people in, they will still try to keep them out, if they are more friendly they will allow people in. it may change it to some extent, but it will still have the same tendencies.

also I think 2-3x the number of POs is slightly larger then marginal, but its all about perspective.

"gunnymeden;c-2092869" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2092863" wrote:

"gunnymeden;c-2092855" wrote:
There are ways of solving the OP's problem. The top 100 of every shard would hate it :)

• remove crystal income from the arenas and replace them with gear prize boxes like in raids
  
• add more crystals to GAC, for example 2 for setting defence, 5 for winning on offence, and improve league promotion crystals like 5-fold
  
• add/increase crystal income elsewhere (harder GW, add to raids, 9-level battles like x1 crystal at certain drop rate)
  
• make arenas the (aside from gear/currency rewards) as the practice sandboxes people were asking
  
• on the first of each months in a round robin shuffle each even and odd position into the next shard
  
• add portraits/achievements titles for the 1st, top 10, top 20, to 50
  

This will incentivize the GAC play (more like the arena anyway, that has both squads and fleets) and will take care of the OP's problem and many others's problem and should not disincentivize arenas for most. It may or may not be a problem for the top 100 and spenders that keep this game going, the impact of such a solution needs to be studied from the game's economy perspective.

I hope the devs are listening ;) @CG_SBCrumb ? Probably not, but anyway...

Now let's the flame wars and troll wars begin \/ \/ \/ haha, as I am sure this will not be popular among some participants here :)

its not about the top 100 in arena, players who love GAC will love this, players who do not will not.

from the economy perspective, I would imagine that this wouldn't work. the prizes to be "even" to what they are now would be a very large increase in crystals going out. As a whole there are a lot more first place winners in GAC than there are for arena.

I agree. But that would solve the OP's problem ;) Not unreasonably a the same time :) Regardless whatever the solution or status quo, there will be always players who would like it or those who would not. So long as the game makes money, that's the main drive for CG to solve something or leave it be.

No if they change arena at all it will only hurt the players. Any change to remove the mafias will only negatively impact players and no one would benefit. Dont you read what the trolls said?

If something benefits some people and hurts others we have to ignore all who it helps and only consider who it hurts then state that it will only hurt people. Tow the line folks

"BobcatSkywalker;c-2093181" wrote:

"gunnymeden;c-2092869" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2092863" wrote:

"gunnymeden;c-2092855" wrote:
There are ways of solving the OP's problem. The top 100 of every shard would hate it :)

• remove crystal income from the arenas and replace them with gear prize boxes like in raids
  
• add more crystals to GAC, for example 2 for setting defence, 5 for winning on offence, and improve league promotion crystals like 5-fold
  
• add/increase crystal income elsewhere (harder GW, add to raids, 9-level battles like x1 crystal at certain drop rate)
  
• make arenas the (aside from gear/currency rewards) as the practice sandboxes people were asking
  
• on the first of each months in a round robin shuffle each even and odd position into the next shard
  
• add portraits/achievements titles for the 1st, top 10, top 20, to 50
  

This will incentivize the GAC play (more like the arena anyway, that has both squads and fleets) and will take care of the OP's problem and many others's problem and should not disincentivize arenas for most. It may or may not be a problem for the top 100 and spenders that keep this game going, the impact of such a solution needs to be studied from the game's economy perspective.

I hope the devs are listening ;) @CG_SBCrumb ? Probably not, but anyway...

Now let's the flame wars and troll wars begin \/ \/ \/ haha, as I am sure this will not be popular among some participants here :)

its not about the top 100 in arena, players who love GAC will love this, players who do not will not.

from the economy perspective, I would imagine that this wouldn't work. the prizes to be "even" to what they are now would be a very large increase in crystals going out. As a whole there are a lot more first place winners in GAC than there are for arena.

I agree. But that would solve the OP's problem ;) Not unreasonably a the same time :) Regardless whatever the solution or status quo, there will be always players who would like it or those who would not. So long as the game makes money, that's the main drive for CG to solve something or leave it be.

No if they change arena at all it will only hurt the players. Any change to remove the mafias will only negatively impact players and no one would benefit. Dont you read what the trolls said?

If something benefits some people and hurts others we have to ignore all who it helps and only consider who it hurts then state that it will only hurt people. Tow the line folks

can you please quote someone saying that? it would be easier for him to read it if you quote that statement.

can you provide a breakdown of benefits some and hurts others. because I'm pretty sure that any change that hurts only the chats, would be something anyone would get behind. to my knowledge nothing has been proposed that would do that. shouldn't a solution be fair to all? meaning that hurting players not on either side should be as unaffected as possible?

no one is saying the current situation should stay if there is a better solution out there. no reason to break down a good conversation because the idea you propose doesn't actually solve the problem (without additional considerations) and would make it worse for many more than it helps (especially those not involved at on either side.) unless it is made more complicated and account for things that you dont see as necessary.

hears an idea, why not focus in on the 2 main bad behaviors of shard chats. Lockdowns and chaining.
the numbers would have to be tweaked, but here is the general plan.

- 1-2 hours before a players PO, they are tracked.

if you are not within that players PO or during your period of tracking (1-2 hours before your PO) you are marked for:

- repeated attacks (either same player or multiple players in a row), with a special focus on chain dropping a player (this could be tracked outside of tracking period too)
- battling and letting time run out (maybe even winning in the last few seconds, but that is a tough one to add with some of the metas we have seen)

after 3 marks you get a warning, after 5 you dont receive that days PO. after 10 24 hour ban, and so on.

breakdown:
- this in no way interferes with PO battling
- this doesn't have any effect on any players not involved in coordinating attacks on other players (meaning no one outside of a chat would see this)
- helps those being locked out of chats
- only negatively affects players trying to lock down a PO that is not theirs
- gives room for those who can and are having issues to pick an hour that works in their favor to push this issue

- no it doesn't 100% solve the problem
- it is extremely unintrusive to the player base as a whole.
- extremely focused on those actions that make chats bad.


is this a great solution, no probably not, but it does help those in the situation and doesn't have nearly the negative impact on the player base as a whole.

(i'm not going to argue that the numbers are what they should be its just a concept)

"Kyno;c-2093458" wrote:
hears an idea, why not focus in on the 2 main bad behaviors of shard chats. Lockdowns and chaining.
the numbers would have to be tweaked, but here is the general plan.

- 1-2 hours before a players PO, they are tracked.

if you are not within that players PO or during your period of tracking (1-2 hours before your PO) you are marked for:

- repeated attacks (either same player or multiple players in a row), with a special focus on chain dropping a player (this could be tracked outside of tracking period too)
- battling and letting time run out (maybe even winning in the last few seconds, but that is a tough one to add with some of the metas we have seen)

after 3 marks you get a warning, after 5 you dont receive that days PO. after 10 24 hour ban, and so on.

breakdown:
- this in no way interferes with PO battling
- this doesn't have any effect on any players not involved in coordinating attacks on other players (meaning no one outside of a chat would see this)
- helps those being locked out of chats
- only negatively affects players trying to lock down a PO that is not theirs
- gives room for those who can and are having issues to pick an hour that works in their favor to push this issue

- no it doesn't 100% solve the problem
- it is extremely unintrusive to the player base as a whole.
- extremely focused on those actions that make chats bad.


is this a great solution, no probably not, but it does help those in the situation and doesn't have nearly the negative impact on the player base as a whole.

(i'm not going to argue that the numbers are what they should be its just a concept)

No. I climb for my own payout 3-4 hours before it due to being asleep at payout and an inability to change it since my work schedule changed and I have no more swaps until august. Therefore this would punish those people as well since it would show them climbing outside their payout tracking hour