Jolee Bindo - Kenobi synergy

How can they do this? How can one be a healer and not be granted ability to trigger mass assist?

I'm not as concerned about Jolee and GK's lead, myself. It is an annoyance, but not as big a deal as the other issue between Jolee and GK...

Jolee's zeta, which revives defeated Jedi, grants them Crit Immunity for 5 turns. Crit Immunity means they can't be crit, obviously. With nobody getting crit, GK can't taunt. GK is a tank, and you want/need him to be taunting! Moreover, with nobody getting crit, Barriss' zeta won't work. So Jolee's zeta means that GK and Barriss don't work as you need them to. That is a much bigger issue than the issue of Jolee's heal not triggering the mass assist, IMO

(although I do agree that if the team is all Jedi, and the whole team is healed, then it IS a team heal, and it should trigger a mass assist)

But really, say for example GMY is revived from Jolee's zeta (this is a zeta we are talking about here!), with only 80% health and crit immunity. GMY will be focussed down, while GK is standing there incapable of protecting him. So the revive, and the zeta, was wasted. Much bigger issue, IMO.

That said, making points like these in the forums yields nothing, so @Ninjah9, nothing will come of it (except the standard same few people that will come in to defend whatever CG does)

You are completely correct that Bindu's heal won't trigger it.
The reason is that it's not a team heal!
It heals one ally, and then all other Jedi.

I don't think it's deliberately designed not to trigger GK's Leader Ability.
The wording indicates that the mechanic is simply not fitting the necessary parameters.

Now I also understand why HYoda's Basic doesn't trigger the mass attack: It leaves out HYoda himself. :)

"Caiaphas;c-1601366" wrote:
I'm not as concerned about Jolee and GK's lead, myself. It is an annoyance, but not as big a deal as the other issue between Jolee and GK...

Jolee's zeta, which revives defeated Jedi, grants them Crit Immunity for 5 turns. Crit Immunity means they can't be crit, obviously. With nobody getting crit, GK can't taunt. GK is a tank, and you want/need him to be taunting! Moreover, with nobody getting crit, Barriss' zeta won't work. So Jolee's zeta means that GK and Barriss don't work as you need them to. That is a much bigger issue than the issue of Jolee's heal not triggering the mass assist, IMO

(although I do agree that if the team is all Jedi, and the whole team is healed, then it IS a team heal, and it should trigger a mass assist)

But really, say for example GMY is revived from Jolee's zeta (this is a zeta we are talking about here!), with only 80% health and crit immunity. GMY will be focussed down, while GK is standing there incapable of protecting him. So the revive, and the zeta, was wasted. Much bigger issue, IMO.

That said, making points like these in the forums yields nothing, so @Ninjah9, nothing will come of it (except the standard same few people that will come in to defend whatever CG does)

If Yoda gets focused down, that means Yoda is taking multiple hits to go down.

That's better than if he didn't have crit immunity, and got dropped again in one good crit, or a crit and an AoE.

You probably don't want the person you just rez'd to eat a crit before you have the chance to help them recover.

Also, you're unlikely to be reviving your entire team in one go. If you are, you're in Hail Mary territory anyways.

The most likely person to be rez'd is probably Kenobi himself, as he is the tank and he's supposed to take the beating, so crit immunity will help him stick around.

There are two sides to the crit immunity. It isn't outright bad with General Kenobi, and if you really don't like it, just use Old Ben instead.

"SoylentGreen;c-1601403" wrote:
Now I also understand why HYoda's Basic doesn't trigger the mass attack: It leaves out HYoda himself. :)

Even if it did affect Yoda, it wouldn't trigger Kenobi lead because the mass assist is triggered by team healing specials. Not basics.

@SoylentGreen: That's actually not correct, hyoda's "team heal" is his basic. The description requires that it has to be a special ability which "eh, you do it" is. Otherwise Bariss's basic would trigger the swarm too. Also the explanation given was that because it only targets jedi it doest count as a team heal. Which is pretty silly.

"VonZant;c-1601356" wrote:
There are other Jedi tanks.

The only real Jedi Tank’s currently in the game are General Kenobi/Old Ben and Kanan Jarrus.

The only popular Jedi that even fit the role of a Tank are: Obi Wan Kenobi, Kanan Jarrus, Ki Adi Mundi (not in game yet), Plo Koon (who needs a rework), Cin Drallig (not in game yet), and Ima-Gun-Di (who is tagged Support when he should have been made a Tank).

There are more heroes who fit the role but aren’t quite as popular as the ones I listed above. Some of the coolest from the Old Republic era are Jedi Master Ven Zallow and Jedi Battlemaster Kao Cen Darach. Kao Cen Darach was an absolute beast Jedi Tank lol. He held off both Darth Malgus and Darth Vindican, allowing his apprentice Satele Shan and others to escape so they could warn the republic about the return of the Sith.

You could make an argument that Kit Fisto should be a Tank instead of an Attacker because of his mastery with the Shii-Cho form that excelled at repelling multiple attackers.

Mace Windu should not be a Tank and should be an Attacker because of his very aggressive, dark form of lightsaber combat, Vaapad. I really don’t know why he was made a Tank. Heck, he failed at protecting Saesee Tiin, Kit Fisto, and Agen Kolar in their attempt to subdue Palpatine. Does that sound like a Tank? No lol. In fact, where he succeeded was in utilizing his Vaapad form which drew on the dark essence of both Palpatine and his own inner darkness to disarm Palpatine. He was even going to finish Palpatine off which led to Anakin doing what he did. Mace is clearly an Attacker.

Anakin Skywalker was known to be very aggressive but he was also very protective of those he loved/cared for and would get angered when someone/something was going to hurt them. His unwavering love for the ones he cared about is ultimately what led to his fall to the dark side. He fits the role of an aggressive Tank much better than Mace Windu does if you really examine the characters.

Now you can also make the argument that all Jedi are “Tanks” in a sense because they protect others, but that’s just looking at Jedi in a very broad sense. When you really examine the characters, certain ones fit the roles of Tank, Support, Attacker, and Healer better than just calling them all “Tanks”.

Getting back to topic, Jolee’s healing should absolutely trigger Kenobi’s mass assist when there is a Jedi team present. That’s the whole point of team synergy lol. If the synergy seems to be too much, CG could always word Jolee’s healing ability to say: “any damage dealt by allies during Jolee’s turn upon activating this ability is reduced by (X%)” then balance the damage reduction to something more reasonable.

@Shonkathonk: Nerf was the wrong term to use. To be as clear as possible I along with many others are extremely annoyed that they would get cute with the language of his "jedi team heal" (specific kenobi synergy requirement) so it specifically wouldn't work with kenobi's ability. Why not just let it be what it is (a jedi team heal) and let it trigger the swarm attack. @Arbitrator made a few good points and that is the jedi for the most part have been poorly developed compared to the sith. Its it's not like the jedi are so op that giving Jolee synergy with kenobi would just shatter the game. To me it's one of the few abilities that made the jedi semi viable in the past, and now they just arbitrarily take it away!? Just doesn't make sense and is really disappointing.

Maybe it would have been too cheesy if the mechanics worked the way you suggest.

"until I found out his healing ability was worded specifically so it wouldn't have synergy with kenobi's lead."

What wording are you referring to?

There are other Jedi tanks.