"DarjeloSalas;c-2440085" wrote:
"Lumiya;c-2440080" wrote:
"Starslayer;c-2440078" wrote:
"afaviator956;c-2440064" wrote:
Those of you saying “soft counters exist” I’m not sure that you guys are actually using them. They can work, rarely, but not really useful when trying to climb for fleet arena. As evidenced anecdotally by my shard in that since the update the top ranks are dominated 24 hours a day by the handful of Levi ships. They don’t drop. In fact I’m the only one I’ve seen in my fleet shard actually climb into top 5 without Levi since the update.
"Lumiya;c-2440071" wrote:
"afaviator956;c-2440064" wrote:
Those of you saying “soft counters exist” I’m not sure that you guys are actually using them. They can work, rarely, but not really useful when trying to climb for fleet arena. As evidenced anecdotally by my shard in that since the update the top ranks are dominated 24 hours a day by the handful of Levi ships. They don’t drop. In fact I’m the only one I’ve seen in my fleet shard actually climb into top 5 without Levi since the update.
This.
I already said it before and will say it again. The "counters" some people talk about are anything but reliable.
There is a difference between a soft counter and a ship that was the most expensive ship and now maybe works 10-20% if you're lucky. That's worthless and not a counter. Also I will mention again, I am sure that many of those people do not face the fleet with Assassin and max modded/reliced etc ships.
Also people should not forget, even if some Videos might exist, which there are few with Assassin etc, we do not know how many tries it took to get the fight actually done. That is in no way an indication for a counter.
Considering i only have a 6* Levi, I use soft counters to beat 7* Levi every day since update. I tried both and have more success with Chimera than with Prof, even with a g12 Iden. I didn’t track my win rate, but it’s at least 50%. After my climb I put back my 6* Levi as I’m a target of choice if i leave my Chimera on D.
You seem to forget that Scythe is a ship many of the players don't have and many will not have for a long time. Relative to the total number of players it is not the majority whom has it. This is exactly what I mean. It is not a counter everyone can use or get relatively fast. It needs a legendary character plus a Conquest unit. To think that it is a counter that can be easily used or farmed/worked on is the problem here.
This is how the game has always worked and will always work.
New ships / characters are released and those that farm them quickly have an advantage over those that don’t. Those that have deeper rosters might be able to counter the new ships / characters with an off-meta counter, but thinner rosters probably won’t.
Suggesting that this is in some way new or exclusive to Leviathan is deluded.
I never said so. Where did I say that?
All I am saying is that everyone whom talks about a counter and uses the Scythe counter as a basis for how easy it is to counter Levi is actually not taking into consideration that this counter is not possible for the majority of players and involves units that are definitely not the norm or easily attainable.
