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5 years ago

Mandalorian S2:E6 Chat (SPOILERS)

Let's talk about it.
  • "MasterSeedy;c-2200985" wrote:
    @Chucko_marek
    There may be a Boba spin off. Not sure I would like a season on it, but an episode or two would be ok.


    There are lots of articles about the plans for Star Wars shows on Disney+.

    While they obviously kick around ideas long before something gets into "planning" stage, not even everything that gets into planning stage ends up getting made, and so if it's not in the planning stage it definitely isn't getting made anytime soon. So what are they planning? Is a Boba series among the plans? Spoiler: Boba series is not currently on the table. These are in the planning stages, with some in "pre-production" meaning that they've actually decided for sure to go ahead with the project at least far enough to get a script & shoot some scenes & then see what the first episode looks like. If it's is pre-production, that means that there will be footage of some kind, but unless they're happy with it, that still doesn't guarantee any polished/finished full episodes that might get leaked 10 years from now as an "unaired pilot", much less a series that actually gets released to the public as an actual show that they actually promote. "In production" will only happen if they like the initial script, like the initial footage & have decided to produce whole, finished episodes (but even then they could decide not to air them).

    The distinction between planning & pre-production & production in mind, let's look at the 4 shows on the Disney+ radar:

    Rogue One: Cassian's Magical Mystery Tour (name may not be final):
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    This is a series about Cassian Andor's adventures being a secret agent behind the lines, exploring all the things he did that later made him tell Jyn that his hands weren't clean and that he had done horrible things in the name of the rebellion & so he had to fight to the end and achieve something good so that he can die feeling like all the bad things were ultimately worth it in the end.

    This show will take place LONG before the events of Rogue 1 so that if the series is good & popular they can do multiple seasons without conflicting with the events of the movie.

    As you know, Rogue 1 takes place before Boba got thrown into the Sarlacc pit, so no possibility of Boba's post Sarlacc life being explored here.

    Obi-Wan: Middle Aged Ben
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    The adventures of Obi-Wan after the Revenge of the Sith & before A New Hope. This is going to take place sometime near the time-window of the Cassian adventures, but probably even earlier. Ewan McGregor will return to star in this series, which is awesome, but since he doesn't look like Alec Guiness, they're going to have to keep him significantly younger to make sure they're time for Kenobi to believably age (and get affected by the whether, I suppose) on Tatooine. As a result, Boba would probably be a teenager during this series. No chance for a Boba appearance here, though a young Ahsoka could show up. I wonder if the makeup & costuming could make her appear young enough for Rosario to portray her in this series?


    So, again, no Boba spin off - or at least none that would explain surviving the Sarlacc.

    The Bad Batch
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    A show following the adventures of the clone troopers known as "The Bad Batch". This would take place immediately after the Clone Wars ended (which end when Palp reveals himself, Order 66 occurs, and the Empire begins). We don't know what exactly they'll be doing, but Merc'ing, somewhere, somehow.


    Again, this is the 3rd of these to happen before A New Hope, so still no chance of Boba's Sarlacc survival being explained.

    Untitled, Mysterious "Female Lead" series :cough: Ahsoka :cough:
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    As yet we know tragically little about this show. It's been reported by Variety. Now, Variety has a website, but also a big-name magazine. They're not some basement rumor mill. So I'm inclined to believe them. There's also something else as well: Rosario Dawson was given a big contract to play Ahsoka, but she's not being used much at all in The Mandalorian. As a result, I expect that this is an Ahsoka series. They have a "show runner" who is the person who makes final decisions about directors & actors & such, and that's not necessary until pre-production, so they're fairly serious about this series despite how little we know about it. From Variety:
    Details of the exact plot of the series are being kept under wraps, but sources say it will be a female-centric series that takes place in a different part of the “Star Wars” timeline than other projects.


    That's not a lot of information, but given the big Ahsoka contract for Dawson and the fact that all 3 of the other series take place after the end of the prequels and before A New Hope, "a different part of the SW timeline" would be more "end of the New Republic & rise of the resistance" just before The Force Awakens or maybe "the rise of the New Republic" which would be just after The Return of the Jedi. Right after ROTJ is, of course, the timeline we need, but that's only a guess, not confirmed, and only 1/2 of a 2 part guess, which makes it only 50% likely, and that guess itself is dependent on another series of guesses: that this is an Ahsoka series, that the version of Ahsoka we see will be played by Rosario Dawson, & that Dawson's contract means Ahsoka can't be too much older or younger than we see her in The Mandalorian, which takes place 8-10 years after Yavin, which means just a few years after Endor.

    Of course the problem with the "Fall of the Empire/rise of the Republic" timeline guess is that they've specifically sad that the story takes place in a part of the timeline unexplored in other parts of Star Wars. We have ROTJ. We have The Mandalorian. Saying that the post-ROTJ timeframe is "unexplored" is dependent on whether you see The Mandalorian as exploring that. But since there are still Imperial cruisers & Moffs & Admirals, I'm not sure how "unexplored" this is. Finally, her quest for Thrawn is interesting, but in the new series would the studio be better off using that as foreshadowing that existed in Ahsoka's past? or using that as a point in Ahsoka's future towards which the new series moves? I think the first. If that moment existed in Ahsoka's future, then we would know that Ahsoka could never be killed in her own series. Although you do know that the title character won't be killed mid-season, any season finale could kill the character as a way to end the show .. unless you've already had the character appear later in the timeline. So post-ROTJ is a guess, but I don't think it's the best guess.


    So this is the only show that might maybe possibly explain Boba's survival and his new disaffection for the Empire. Hard to say if it will, of course, but I'm leaning against it.

    In sum, I think they might be kicking around ideas for shows that could explain the gap in Boba's timeline, but I don't see any upcoming spin-off that could do it. If they bother to explain it at all, it will merely be Boba talking to Mando about his past during this show, right now.



    Disney is going to reveal what is coming in the future on Dec 10. Not saying I would want a Boba Fett series, because Mando, but it has been speculation for some time. idk.
  • "Ltswb1;c-2199971" wrote:
    Continuing to fire a blaster at a Boulder rolling towards you until it kills you. ?‍♂️ What exactly was that blaster supposed to do against a boulder? He couldn’t just step to the left and get out of the way?

    I want to really like it, but if it didn’t have all the fan service, I’d probably give it a 5/10


    It was damaging the boulder so he probably thought he’d destroy it before it hit him. Trying to save the turret. Mando literally used the same kind of turret in season 1 to blast open the door
  • Btw, if Jango was a foundlig of Jaster Mereel, that means we may see the birth of new Mandalore =D
  • "NasRegal;c-2200373" wrote:
    So, is no one gonna talk about whats happens when Boba finds out the child is force sensitive?

    Mace kills Jango.
    Boba witnesses this and swears vengeance on the Jedi.
    Boba finds out the child is a "Jedi"
    Boba tries to convince Mando to kill his beloved "son"

    And I can't wait to see how that plays out ?

    These next few episodes are going to be explosive, literally.


    You must pay close attention to the movies and lore. Jango was killed by Mace, which Boba witnessed. This made him hate the jedi, so in RotJ when Luke was fighting people over the sarlaac pit, Boba became hyper-focused on him and tried to kill him, which caused him to lose focus on his enemies on the ship he was on, and Han ended up smashing his jetpack. This most likely caused an epiphany of sorts with Boba, causing him to rethink his revenge, and the blinders that revenge put on his morals, as well as his focus. Plus, Boba isn't going to kill a child. That child had nothing to do with his father's murder. Which is most likely his thought process about Luke after coming to terms with his revenge.
  • First off, I'll say that they did a good job of hiding their thinking on a lot of things, since they had previously only discussed 4 series & then announced 9 series + a movie for 10 projects total. I really didn't anticipate that they were going to go all in like that. My biggest interest is in the Ahsoka series & the Rangers series, which curiously enough are both being led by the same creative team as The Mandalorian. (They are also the only 2 of the 10 new projects being led by that team. I guess I'm just lucky?) I'm curious about Rogue Squadron, of course, and the director is an interesting choice. She's done very good work & her dad was a fighter pilot which I had no reason to know before. Even so, the project isn't due to be released until 2023, so despite the curiosity & the good choice for director, it's hard to get excited about just yet. (Likewise I'm more excited about the Ahsoka series than about the Rangers series, in no small part because of Ahsoka herself, but also because the series is closer in time to its debut.)

    But apart from that, I want to address the conversion of Boba from antagonist to protagonist. While it's believable that Boba might have had a life rethink after being half-digested by the Sarlacc, the reasons for the transformation are always best understood by examining the writers and their art form rather than any given character itself. You can rationalize a change of heart towards any number of new perspectives, even a pacifist one, if you want to do so.

    So the question is, why do the show writers want Boba to be a good guy? I find that question more interesting for a number of reasons, but not least is this: they want Boba to be a recurring character with lots of screen time. They know Boba is a character that many have been intrigued by from his limited (but important) appearances in the movies. With such key actions in a globally beloved franchise yet so little backstory, there's bound to be interest in tech character. People **want** to see more of Boba. But the studio has a hard time lionizing a villain. So, they convert him to a hero with a complicated past.

    Any transformation will hopefully be written well, and it's not unlikely the Sarlacc pit will have something to do with the character's new outlook. But that doesn't "explain" anything. It's a fictional character. They could have had him get angrier & angrier & commit genocide if that's what they wanted to do with him.

    They didn't. And you understand that by thinking about what the studio and the writers want from the character better than you can understand it by thinking about what we know about the character so far.