I'm a great believer that things that take the control out of a players hands are a very negative thing in any game. A little RNG in combat is fine but it shouldn't dominate, the game is teetering on the edge on that front, mods however are totally broken.They require:- Zero skill - Zero expenditure (it helps but you're still at the whim of rng)- Zero effortYet they are the one factor that completely disproportionally impacts the outcome of any encounter. Mods are more important than gear level, star level, roster depth (within reason of course) and unltimately can lead to huge variances between players who are otherwise equal in every other respect yet are 100% dependent on luck.I really don't understand why this isn't the number one issue for the community.Thoughts?

@FleetCommand The point is it really doesn't matter how much you farm getting that elusive speed secondary in the double digits is still purely RNG based, you could spend 1000s in refreshes and never find them or the guy who started same time could get a +18 speed secondary on first go, then dominate you in pvp.Having the most impactful thing in the game being 100% rng based is crazy."I farmed for a speed mod of +16 secondary for 3 weeks straight with 2 refills/day and as a result my JE was the fastest on my server but I don't have TFP lando and B2 is at 5 stars...so IDK decisions are important is what I'm saying."You're fooling yourself here, you didn't farm something as such, you got lucky and landed what you needed, it was not planned to any degree of certainty.

To me, mods add a layer of strategy that creates a fun element to the game coupled with squad, leader ability and synergy.

"mlb1399;921090" wrote:To me, mods add a layer of strategy that creates a fun element to the game coupled with squad, leader ability and synergy.My problem isn't with mods as such, more with the method of acquisition. The single most impactful thing in the game shouldn't be 100% RNG based.

"Schwin;921091" wrote:"mlb1399;921090" wrote:To me, mods add a layer of strategy that creates a fun element to the game coupled with squad, leader ability and synergy.My problem isn't with mods as such, more with the method of acquisition. The single most impactful thing in the game shouldn't be 100% RNG based.What part don't you like? Being able to buy them in mod shipments or the process of farming them in mod challenges?

"FleetCommand;921037" wrote:well for main squad you need speed and so does your oponent so it comes down to RNG - wich is consistent but then if you refill cantina 2x you get 300% more better mods than f2p and stay in the top...Now you can mod crit chance speed or crit dmg, you can also go prot or HP there is A LOT of strategy on choosing your modsmaybe your boba is a speedster or maybe he's crit DMG -dps or maybe he's in between or maybe you let him go and mod your vader with your best for 60k culling blade with palp lead and you put health/prot on boba to missdirector maybe you get to not farm any cantina looking for that +!6 speed secondary mod to arm JE so he's 2 points above your opponentPoint is mods are super complicated and it's eassy to get surprised sure there is RNG involved but a diffrence between 20k and 60k at the price of HP under the right circumstances will cost someone the battle :)Point is team composition is pretty constant but you can make RG more tankyer or speed him up so he stuns 2x per turnas for top 10 look at them baze/chirut is present at max gear, sure we'll get there but toons still matterEDITadd I farmed for a speed mod of +16 secondary for 3 weeks straight with 2 refills/day and as a result my JE was the fastest on my server but I don't have TFP lando and B2 is at 5 stars...so IDK decisions are important is what I'm saying. Look up on youtube some tutorials on zetas/mods I learned a lot about team composition, mods and priority and realised I'm a noob now. God knows what I was before - still playing droids and hitting a brick wall at pvp 100I agree to some point, but there really isn't that much strategy, speed is all important. For any tank character that doesn't auto or pre taunt speed is still the best choice. For primary's at least 2 of them don't have a choice. For circle Except in certain rare circumstances protection is always better than health. If a person has a debuff or two then potency for the cross, if not then protection. Triangle is crit damage if they crit a decent amount, crit chance if not. Arrow is always speed except for the rare pre-taunter/autotaunter (even then RG gets more stuns, shore gets another taunt faster with whole team crit immunity and baze gets all the baze stuff he does faster). For secondary stats it's always speed, and whatever is relevant. crit chance and potency are almost always relevant. Health and tenacity are useless as a secondary and protection is subpar.

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Meerk4ts
8 years ago
@FleetCommand

The point is it really doesn't matter how much you farm getting that elusive speed secondary in the double digits is still purely RNG based, you could spend 1000s in refreshes and never find them or the guy who started same time could get a +18 speed secondary on first go, then dominate you in pvp.

Having the most impactful thing in the game being 100% rng based is crazy.

"I farmed for a speed mod of +16 secondary for 3 weeks straight with 2 refills/day and as a result my JE was the fastest on my server but I don't have TFP lando and B2 is at 5 stars...so IDK decisions are important is what I'm saying."

You're fooling yourself here, you didn't farm something as such, you got lucky and landed what you needed, it was not planned to any degree of certainty.
DarthTargaryen1
8 years ago
To me, mods add a layer of strategy that creates a fun element to the game coupled with squad, leader ability and synergy.
Meerk4ts
8 years ago
"mlb1399;921090" wrote:
To me, mods add a layer of strategy that creates a fun element to the game coupled with squad, leader ability and synergy.

My problem isn't with mods as such, more with the method of acquisition. The single most impactful thing in the game shouldn't be 100% RNG based.
DarthTargaryen1
8 years ago
"Schwin;921091" wrote:
"mlb1399;921090" wrote:
To me, mods add a layer of strategy that creates a fun element to the game coupled with squad, leader ability and synergy.

My problem isn't with mods as such, more with the method of acquisition. The single most impactful thing in the game shouldn't be 100% RNG based.

What part don't you like? Being able to buy them in mod shipments or the process of farming them in mod challenges?
TheeNoahnator
8 years ago
"FleetCommand;921037" wrote:
well for main squad you need speed and so does your oponent so it comes down to RNG - wich is consistent but then if you refill cantina 2x you get 300% more better mods than f2p and stay in the top...

Now you can mod crit chance speed or crit dmg, you can also go prot or HP there is A LOT of strategy on choosing your mods

maybe your boba is a speedster or maybe he's crit DMG -dps or maybe he's in between or maybe you let him go and mod your vader with your best for 60k culling blade with palp lead and you put health/prot on boba to missdirect

or maybe you get to not farm any cantina looking for that +!6 speed secondary mod to arm JE so he's 2 points above your opponent

Point is mods are super complicated and it's eassy to get surprised sure there is RNG involved but a diffrence between 20k and 60k at the price of HP under the right circumstances will cost someone the battle :)

Point is team composition is pretty constant but you can make RG more tankyer or speed him up so he stuns 2x per turn

as for top 10 look at them baze/chirut is present at max gear, sure we'll get there but toons still matter

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I farmed for a speed mod of +16 secondary for 3 weeks straight with 2 refills/day and as a result my JE was the fastest on my server but I don't have TFP lando and B2 is at 5 stars...so IDK decisions are important is what I'm saying.

Look up on youtube some tutorials on zetas/mods I learned a lot about team composition, mods and priority and realised I'm a noob now. God knows what I was before - still playing droids and hitting a brick wall at pvp 100

I agree to some point, but there really isn't that much strategy, speed is all important. For any tank character that doesn't auto or pre taunt speed is still the best choice.

For primary's at least 2 of them don't have a choice. For circle Except in certain rare circumstances protection is always better than health. If a person has a debuff or two then potency for the cross, if not then protection. Triangle is crit damage if they crit a decent amount, crit chance if not. Arrow is always speed except for the rare pre-taunter/autotaunter (even then RG gets more stuns, shore gets another taunt faster with whole team crit immunity and baze gets all the baze stuff he does faster).

For secondary stats it's always speed, and whatever is relevant. crit chance and potency are almost always relevant. Health and tenacity are useless as a secondary and protection is subpar.
Meerk4ts
8 years ago
"mlb1399;921092" wrote:
"Schwin;921091" wrote:
"mlb1399;921090" wrote:
To me, mods add a layer of strategy that creates a fun element to the game coupled with squad, leader ability and synergy.

My problem isn't with mods as such, more with the method of acquisition. The single most impactful thing in the game shouldn't be 100% RNG based.

What part don't you like? Being able to buy them in mod shipments or the process of farming them in mod challenges?

It's the fact that it's impossible to farm for them in a sensible way because what you get is 100% rng based.

Compare to farming characters, you know you'll get what you need with a rough idea of the ball park number energy you'll need. With mods, you need to farm the right mod, the right star level, the right colour, the right secondary stats and then finally hope the right stat upgrades...otherwise you're left with garbage.

If the stars align then congrats you're the most powerful of your peers by a significant margin. Through no skill or particularly unusual effort.

Given that they are the most impactful thing in the game there needs to be a more balanced way of aquiring what you need...this would still be an issue but not as big an issue if speed wasn't so all dominating.
Taintdragons
8 years ago
Dear OP...mods are necessary... otherwise it would be like a boring, stale, lame game like world of warcraft.

Are you saying that you would prefer a 50/50 coin flip for identical max leveled toons?

Have you ever punched yourself in the face for fun?

Because asking for mods to be removed is like punching yourself in the face to see if you can knock yourself out. So go ahead knock yourself out with this idea.

Btw...do you remember the poe meta?

If you dont then research it...your questions about details will be answered. Because poe meta is what set mods in motion, with protection as a quick fix to buy time for the implementation of mods...
TheeNoahnator
8 years ago
"Loose_Lee;921106" wrote:
Dear OP...mods are necessary... otherwise it would be like a boring, stale, lame game like world of warcraft.

Are you saying that you would prefer a 50/50 coin flip for identical max leveled toons?

Have you ever punched yourself in the face for fun?

Because asking for mods to be removed is like punching yourself in the face to see if you can knock yourself out. So go ahead knock yourself out with this idea.

Btw...do you remember the poe meta?

If you dont then research it...your questions about details will be answered. Because poe meta is what set mods in motion, with protection as a quick fix to buy time for the implementation of mods...

I don't think anyone wants them to be removed, just somewhat ballenced or require a bit of thought. I can't think of any toon I'd put accuracy over speed for a arrow. Or for a triangle who'd get a 5.88% health over 36% critical damage. Hell I'd rather give a tank the crit damage over a measly 5.88 health. Name one toon who gets health over protection?
IFlamthrowI
8 years ago
"PapiBlanco;921145" wrote:
"Loose_Lee;921106" wrote:
Dear OP...mods are necessary... otherwise it would be like a boring, stale, lame game like world of warcraft.

Are you saying that you would prefer a 50/50 coin flip for identical max leveled toons?

Have you ever punched yourself in the face for fun?

Because asking for mods to be removed is like punching yourself in the face to see if you can knock yourself out. So go ahead knock yourself out with this idea.

Btw...do you remember the poe meta?

If you dont then research it...your questions about details will be answered. Because poe meta is what set mods in motion, with protection as a quick fix to buy time for the implementation of mods...

I don't think anyone wants them to be removed, just somewhat ballenced or require a bit of thought. I can't think of any toon I'd put accuracy over speed for a arrow. Or for a triangle who'd get a 5.88% health over 36% critical damage. Hell I'd rather give a tank the crit damage over a measly 5.88 health. Name one toon who gets health over protection?

Darth maul maybe :)
sneeekypants
8 years ago
Actually I think managing mods require the most skill. Granted someone with a few dozen 20+ speed secondaries can do anything but most of us aren't in that category so have to figure out how to best mod with 700 medicore ones.