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Nikoms565's avatar
Nikoms565
8 years ago

New Fleet Arena Payout Scale

I realize that the point of adding crystals to the arena payout likely has to do with "encouraging" people to participate in a game mode that many dislike or find too time consuming (I actually enjoy ships - and realize I am an oddity).

However, the scale is pretty awful. One of the elegant things about fleet arena was that the payout scale was more linear. 1,800 fleet tokens for 1st versus 1,200 for top 200. That allowed players to try different lineups, participate as needed in a node that takes a little longer, etc.

Not only were crystals introduced, but the scaling is actually far WORSE in ship arena versus squad arena, once you move outside the top 10.

At 20 in squad arena, you earn 200 crystals (or 40% of the top payout). In fleet arena you earn only 100 at 20 (or 25% of the top payout). And beyond 20, no crystal reward at all. Even as far down as 100 in squad arena, players could still earn 20% of the top payout.

With this seemingly "small" addition, fleet rewards have been drastically altered from a linear scale, which was fair to all players, to an extremely top heavy (again, even far worse than squad arena) model, which favors only the elite (i.e. whales).

Sadly, for many f2p, guppies and even dolphins, many don't realize how this seemingly small addition only makes it worse for players at those level, making the rich richer over time. A very poor design choice. Extremely disappointing change.

I realize the need to keep the whales happy - but many were just handed 20k crystals. C'mon man.
  • tvsfrink's avatar
    tvsfrink
    7 years ago
    I kind of agree...I invested early in ships so I've been near or at the top of my shard for a while now, and it's a double edged sword. The crystals are great, but so are the fleet tokens, and it's getting harder every day to get back up to that top spot. Prior to adding crystal rewards, I barely had to fight to maintain my #1 spot and those 1800 tokens. Now I have to battle right up to the end to make it there. And I know it's only going to get worse.
  • snowhut11's avatar
    snowhut11
    7 years ago
    "NicWester;c-1413581" wrote:
    Honestly my only complaint about payouts is that if I do five attacks and win each one I can get to 100 or lower and get...... 50 more tokens and 8k more shipbucks. Alternatively, I can do 2 attacks to ensure I'm under 200 and get basically the same rewards.

    I *like* ships. I want to do as much with ships as possible. But even I don't want to be bothered doing those extra couple attacks a day for that little increase in payout...


    Sounds to me that you don't really *like* ships if you don't want to be bothered doing 3 extra attacks for what you feel is a paltry increase in reward payout. It's ok to not like something that CG puts out, you're allowed to say it.

    If rewards are necessary to compel someone to fully participate in the provided content, maybe someone needs to take a look at how to make the content compelling on its own.
  • Nikoms565's avatar
    Nikoms565
    7 years ago
    "Mctweet;c-1413564" wrote:
    Now it has been several month since the addition of crystals in fleet arena rewards. It is now run like the regular arena. Those in top 20 all decide the winner pre the payout schedule. But they are all whales. And now the whales have turned the pods to fleet arena. I have a strong fleet for f2p but when I get the off chance to rank in the top 20 (only 3 time mind you since the intro) I am swiftly shot down to under the rank of top 50 for my violation into the money. Adding crystals has ruined the f2p aspect of fleet. When it was no crystals it was a great opportunity for f2p to earn the currency and get gear and shards for much needed characters to be competitive on the lower 100 on squad arena. So in short extend the reward at least to top 100 in fleet honestly I have lost interest in the fleet arena now that it is now a mafia like squad arena.


    Same here. As a now f2p, I have hit top 20 only 3 times since crystals have been introduced. And I've had 7* Executrix for several weeks.

    Somehow they have managed to take a game mode that was only marginally playable as it was and make it even less enjoyable.

    I actually enjoyed ships when it was first released, but they have done basically nothing to improve it in a year. The only additional ships are locked behind a paywall. The Thrawn Capital ship event hasn't been repeated and the "whales only" top-heavy crystal pay out structure have made it a bore. I honestly don't understand why you would release a game mode only to let it die on the vine and then sabotage it with a poor payout structure.

    Hey, but ship hardware is coming "soon". :)
  • maximumbanana18's avatar
    maximumbanana18
    New Spectator
    7 years ago
    I’m 100% f2p and hit top 3 every single day, sometimes I need a refresh but only one and that’s only on certain days when the whole shard plays and I drop to 17 or so. Don’t view it as hard to play or anything other than my main source of crystals. I’m on a feb 17 shard and it has a mix of whales and non whales, no shard chat that I’m part of, but I take the view of if you want the rewards then you work for them. I run a 7* executrixs and a 350k gp total team, works for me
  • Ebbda75's avatar
    Ebbda75
    7 years ago
    Before the introduction of crystals in the top 20, I was easily sitting in there. Nobody gave a hoot, lol.

    Since then and not surprisingly, almost 400k power teams have flooded upwards so those days are rare for me now. I'm cool with that.

    The payout system would be better if they had crystals, whatever EA/CG seem fit, down to around the 100-200 mark minimum. So many are now taking this aspect seriously so it would be nice if they spread the crystals lower.

    Great topic :smile:
  • NicWester's avatar
    NicWester
    7 years ago
    "snowhut;c-1413676" wrote:
    "NicWester;c-1413581" wrote:
    Honestly my only complaint about payouts is that if I do five attacks and win each one I can get to 100 or lower and get...... 50 more tokens and 8k more shipbucks. Alternatively, I can do 2 attacks to ensure I'm under 200 and get basically the same rewards.

    I *like* ships. I want to do as much with ships as possible. But even I don't want to be bothered doing those extra couple attacks a day for that little increase in payout...


    Sounds to me that you don't really *like* ships if you don't want to be bothered doing 3 extra attacks for what you feel is a paltry increase in reward payout. It's ok to not like something that CG puts out, you're allowed to say it.


    No, I like ships--But I also like going outside and I like talking to people and I like cooking my own dinner. I don't need to do 5 attacks a day to get my reward, so I don't do all of them and that leaves me with enough time to go have a life.
  • Nikoms565's avatar
    Nikoms565
    7 years ago
    "Damodamo;c-1415555" wrote:
    I’m 100% f2p and hit top 3 every single day, sometimes I need a refresh but only one and that’s only on certain days when the whole shard plays and I drop to 17 or so. Don’t view it as hard to play or anything other than my main source of crystals. I’m on a feb 17 shard and it has a mix of whales and non whales, no shard chat that I’m part of, but I take the view of if you want the rewards then you work for them. I run a 7* executrixs and a 350k gp total team, works for me


    I think therin less the difference. I'm a launch player. Top 20are almost all 425k+. Most were 7* Chimera the day it dropped. Several have switched to 7* whatever their preference.

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