Hello Everyone,For some reason my previous Mace Windu Poll seems to have vanished, so here it is again. There has been a LOT of great Mace Windu post regarding his current state. I figured we could pool our thoughts into some numbers and see the outcome of a Mace Windu PollCurrently I think he still needs some change, here's what I think could be done to the current Mace Windu kit to make him viable with the current meta.1. Increase potency to at least 100%. Right now his Smite rarely breaks a taunt. Also when his Expose finally does work it gets resisted more often than not.2. Increase speed to at around Eeth Koth's speed. Right now Mace Windu's kit is a single target DPS with no synergy so he should have more speed to reflect that role.3. Increase in damage by at least 20%. This is needed to match his description of "Aggressive Jedi tank with devastating damage if left unchecked". Although I do agree that his current damage output is average, average is NOT "Devastating"4. Make Shatterpoint either 100% on one person. Or leave the % as is and change it to an AOE.Please share your thoughts and suggestions. Look forward to seeing this Poll's number!Thanks!

I and many others have had similar suggestions, I will put them here again. 1. Make Shatterpoint and Smite AOE with the same damage/percentages etc. -OR-2. Give more of a bonus to his basic if he is above 50% health, like 100% or 150%. Keep his speed, health, tenacity/potency where it is Both of those suggestions would make me want to pay attention to Mace when he is my enemy, and wouldn't require much work to implement. (especially the second suggestion)

"RAYRAY;172597" wrote:I and many others have had similar suggestions, I will put them here again. 1. Make Shatterpoint and Smite AOE with the same damage/percentages etc. -OR-2. Give more of a bonus to his basic if he is above 50% health, like 100% or 150%. Keep his speed, health, tenacity/potency where it is Both of those suggestions would make me want to pay attention to Mace when he is my enemy, and wouldn't require much work to implement. (especially the second suggestion) I'm really liking these suggestions. Wouldn't change too much but make him more viable

If he attacks the player that has been exposed then he does a lot of damage when he is getting towards max everything - 7* gear 8 all skills at 6 atm. I think he just needs a tweak so he applies expose to the whole team.Also Add the ability he has in the gear events where if he lands a killing blow he gets 100% turn meter.Those changes would make him dangerous

Agreed about his basic damage. It is in a good spot when he is above 50%. Only if shatter point had better mechanics. But, smite may be a priority to fix because there is little reason to use it over the basic. At the very very least, they need to increase the damage on smite to as high as 200% of what it is now if mace is above 50% health. Make Mace the tank with amazing damage so he can be a threat, that would be a new take on the tank role for this game.

"RAYRAY;179487" wrote:Agreed about his basic damage. It is in a good spot when he is above 50%. Only if shatter point had better mechanics. But, smite may be a priority to fix because there is little reason to use it over the basic. At the very very least, they need to increase the damage on smite to as high as 200% of what it is now if mace is above 50% health. Make Mace the tank with amazing damage so he can be a threat, that would be a new take on the tank role for this game. "RAYRAY;179487" wrote:Agreed about his basic damage. It is in a good spot when he is above 50%. Only if shatter point had better mechanics. But, smite may be a priority to fix because there is little reason to use it over the basic. At the very very least, they need to increase the damage on smite to as high as 200% of what it is now if mace is above 50% health. Make Mace the tank with amazing damage so he can be a threat, that would be a new take on the tank role for this game. I'm really liking this suggestion!

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megadeth3700
9 years ago
"Terrai;203614" wrote:
"Megadeth3700;203099" wrote:
"Terrai;198206" wrote:
Here's another idea. What if they changed Shatterpoint to a X% chance to Expose target (passive) when he attacks (basic or smite). This allows concentration of squad firepower but is less powerful than an AoE. Do you think that would make a big enough difference?

I was thinking maybe a 70% chance. What do you guys think?

I don't think that would be enough. Either was I'm not too happy that we didn't see him touched at all in the new update

Yeah, odd that no heroes were buffed/nerfed (only Ahsoka's rework). I guess they are waiting to see how level 80 arena looks. Shoot me now. Puts a buff that much further away and creates a bigger gap between whales and the rest.

Sigh, this is most unfortunate. I guess he'll just continue on collected dust then. With any luck they will have a big update in March that includes him.
TheEwokKing21
9 years ago
It was said he warrants attacks and has no need of a taunt, but that's simply not true. He would if he did more damage than other toons. And not to mention, does the AI think he warrants more attention without taunt, not really? He has no DMG mitigation, not great health, dosnt even warrant as much attention as someone like a Poggle who is support, and he has no taunt, no he is not a Tank.

He needs a big tweek or a overhaul again.
jparker423
9 years ago
"Terrai;198206" wrote:
Here's another idea. What if they changed Shatterpoint to a X% chance to Expose target (passive) when he attacks (basic or smite). This allows concentration of squad firepower but is less powerful than an AoE. Do you think that would make a big enough difference?

I was thinking maybe a 70% chance. What do you guys think?

I like this idea alot, couple it with a speed buff to atleast 115, and a few k more HP, and mace could be a very viable hero.
Meese_Rancher
9 years ago
I think Mace's biggest problems are his shatterpoint/potency and damage. Damage is self explanatory, he needs more plain and simple. The expose gets resisted a vast majority of the time, even on low level enemies. Some proposed changes:

1) Make it single target irresistible and when applied, an attack cannot be evaded or resisted.

or

2) Apply as an AOE that lasts until his next turn (chance to expose and potency would have to be adjusted so it wouldn't be too overpowered).
Cosy85
9 years ago
how about an ability which gives him like a 40% chance to counter attack when another member of his team is attacked (plus he would hit for the same damage the opposition player hit for)....would force people to focus him then
megadeth3700
9 years ago
"Terrai;213313" wrote:
"Voltron2685;212760" wrote:
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/13815/mace-windu#latest

Plenty of great ideas were already posted for mace including the counter chance. Pick any of them and just do something to help the guy out. Hate the halfa$$ adjustment they made on him from totally worthless to almost useful.

Agreed, any of these ideas would be better than what we have now. Just having him as a rational choice in any lineup would make me happy.

Yeah, looking at the 80 stats I don't see any change happening with where Mace stands. Even if the damage is balance like stated in last Friday's notes with slow characters hitting harder. His Shatterpoint still only has 45% so basically he still has next to nothing for utility. It appears he will be a slow hard hitting character but with next to no real utility. Obviously my opinion may drastically change after the update happens but my hope aren't very high looking at Mace's track record. Either way I will keep him maxed out and hope for the best.
megadeth3700
9 years ago
"Terrai;223541" wrote:
"Megadeth3700;222481" wrote:
"Terrai;213313" wrote:
"Voltron2685;212760" wrote:
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/13815/mace-windu#latest

Plenty of great ideas were already posted for mace including the counter chance. Pick any of them and just do something to help the guy out. Hate the halfa$$ adjustment they made on him from totally worthless to almost useful.

Agreed, any of these ideas would be better than what we have now. Just having him as a rational choice in any lineup would make me happy.

Yeah, looking at the 80 stats I don't see any change happening with where Mace stands. Even if the damage is balance like stated in last Friday's notes with slow characters hitting harder. His Shatterpoint still only has 45% so basically he still has next to nothing for utility. It appears he will be a slow hard hitting character but with next to no real utility. Obviously my opinion may drastically change after the update happens but my hope aren't very high looking at Mace's track record. Either way I will keep him maxed out and hope for the best.

I think you're right. Unless they buff/rework the kit, he still won't be useful because his skills are barely better than his basic. So hopefully as they are testing heroes at level 80 they will give him another chance :)

Yeah hopefully! If he gets a damage increase for being slower and he gets upped to 137% potency he will me a little more useful but still next to no utility or synergy so will likely keep collecting dust. I guess only time will tell.
BeWary
New Spectator
9 years ago
My Mace is lvl 70, g8, 6*. I enjoy playing with him, as I can take any exposed toon down ~50% health. Problem is, the exposed enemy is not always one I want to hit. For example, I almost have another toon dead... Mace exposes Sid... worthless. Attack Sid, have a great chance of missing, and then have him be healed as soon as the other enemy is killed? I don't think so.

My suggestions:
1) Make expose work on 2-3 enemies at once to give us options. Make resistance to Expose be on an individual basis, so there's overall a better chance of getting SOMEONE exposed.
2) Improve basic hit dmg when over 50% health to +75% or +100%.

With those 2 minor changes, I think he becomes more useful and more feared.

Personally, I'm okay with Smite the way it is b/c I just use it to remove annoying enemy buffs.

There is always a danger with big changes to a character, as it can greatly affect game balance. So I would make minor changes before any sort of overhaul (like giving Mace an AOE).

Just my thoughts.
megadeth3700
9 years ago
"BeWary;229710" wrote:
My Mace is lvl 70, g8, 6*. I enjoy playing with him, as I can take any exposed toon down ~50% health. Problem is, the exposed enemy is not always one I want to hit. For example, I almost have another toon dead... Mace exposes Sid... worthless. Attack Sid, have a great chance of missing, and then have him be healed as soon as the other enemy is killed? I don't think so.

My suggestions:
1) Make expose work on 2-3 enemies at once to give us options. Make resistance to Expose be on an individual basis, so there's overall a better chance of getting SOMEONE exposed.
2) Improve basic hit dmg when over 50% health to +75% or +100%.

With those 2 minor changes, I think he becomes more useful and more feared.

Personally, I'm okay with Smite the way it is b/c I just use it to remove annoying enemy buffs.

There is always a danger with big changes to a character, as it can greatly affect game balance. So I would make minor changes before any sort of overhaul (like giving Mace an AOE).

Just my thoughts.

This would be awesome! And he gets more potency at 80. With your suggestions and more potency he would finally be arena viable
BeWary
New Spectator
9 years ago
"Megadeth3700;237252" wrote:

This would be awesome! And he gets more potency at 80. With your suggestions and more potency he would finally be arena viable

Thanks. I also think they should fix the AI version of Mace so that he always attacks an exposed character. Right now he seems to attack at random, regardless of who is exposed. That fix would make him more useful for defending the squad in Squad Arena!