I've recently been trying to decide how to use my first zeta, which got me thinking about the Nightsisters as an alternative to one of the most popular (at least early on) solo teams out there in Zader teams.So what I'd like to know is, if anyone has tried to run a Nightsister team in the same fashion as a Zader Empire team. Here's what I've figured:zAsajj (zeta on lead) - Similar to Vader's with the TM removal and damage, but instead of granting DoTs, gives TM to anyone who falls below 50% health and gives 30% speed. Speed Down - Zader teams get this from Thrawn's fracture or RG's basic. NS team would get it from Spirit (Omega on basic).Tenacity Down - Zader teams are using TFP, while NS Zombie does the same with her basic, and it isn't contingent on landing a critical hit.TM Removal - Both teams are getting TM removal from all damage as a result of the zeta on the leadership. Empire teams are getting extra from Tarkin's AoE (every 4 turns), and NS Spirit is taking TM with her basic. TM Gain - Tarkin is gaining TM with his AoE. NS Initiate gains when her special lands a crit, Talia is giving 30% to everyone with her special (and 15% to herself), and NS Spirit gains TM with her basic.So unless I'm missing something, a NS team of zAsajj (L), Talia, Spirit, Zombie, and Acolyte should be able to solo the rancor maybe even more effectively than a Zader Empire team. Has anyone ever tried this, or am I missing something that these Zader teams are doing?

The zeta on Asajj is also very useful in the Sith Raid, so that's a bonus depending on what tier your guild is doing.

Well, I completed my first rancor solo with this team yesterday. It's not the team I suggested in the OP because I still don't have Acolyte or Zombie at 7*, but I'm glad to report it's definitely doable.This was the squad:Asajj (L) - zeta'd lead (zeta'd special too, but likely doesn't add much), G11, 175 speedTalzin - no zetas, G10, 197 speedDaka - no zetas, G10, 201 speedTalia - no zetas, G8, 171 speedSpirit - no zetas, G8, 179 speedAs you can see, they're a strong squad, but nothing unattainable for most players. I don't think it would've worked on auto simply because of how often I had to use Talia's Water of Life special to feed TM so I could get another round of TM removal when the rancor got over 50%.The guard phase is very easy with this group, and the only one where Asajj's Rampage zeta is actually useful. Still far from being necessary as it's an easy clear even without it.The Rancor managed one attack in phase 2 and 3, and 2 attacks in phase 4. I'll try again once I get my Acolyte farmed up (currently 5*) to see if it makes a difference. I suspect it will.

It has been done, the video was on here a week or two ago. You'd need some pile of speed on them I would imagine. Nice thing is zombie comes back after being gobbled up.

Yeah, I've only got a 4* zombie, so even though she's farmable now through a hard node, I'm a little ways off from trying it out myself (I have a 5* Spirit, but at least she's a relatively quick farm out of the cantina). When I do get around to trying it, I may have to use KRU or someone instead of zombie for the tenacity down).I did look through the threads a bit before starting another one, but I guess I didn't look far enough.Thanks!

If you search on YouTube "nightsister rancor" literally the first video that pops upYou're welcomehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7OyFtivX9l0

Nightsister Solo - Is it possible?

GhostTrucking
7 years ago
I don’t recall if they bothered using their heals, I am fairly certain daka did not, and I don’t think Talia did either, For testing purposes, it’s well worth the shot, imo, I did have one sketchy moment with several resists in the tail end of p3 , lost a couple but daka revived them, And I did I have zombie get eaten twice, which was handy ;)
Singetactile
7 years ago
Hello,
I can always auto Hpit with ZzAssaj, ZzTalzin, ZDaka, Acolyte and Talia. All G12 with +90 average on mods. I think you only need to zeta Assaj’s lead
scuba75
Rising Traveler
7 years ago
"YKMisfit;c-1550084" wrote:
Yeah, I set it to basic only just because I didn't want Daka or Talia to use their heal specials, nor did I want Spirit to miss out on the extra TM from her basic. I doubt Daka and Talia would've even used them simply because nobody was taking damage, but it was late and I wasn't thinking clearly. Obviously I missed I on the extra damage from Talia and Talzin's specials as well.

Thanks for the reply. I think my team would've had no trouble at all soloing if they weren't all G8 (Asajj G10) with a 6* Spirit too.

So I started running them Asajj l, na, zombie, spirt and Hoda. On full auto in raid spirit only uses her basic, probably because no buffs to dispel.
YKMisfit
Seasoned Novice
7 years ago
Well, we tried our first heroic raid as a guild, and I sent in the nightsister team I had, and while it breezed through the first 2 phases, the Rancor started resisting the TM removal too much and eventually got to devour in Phase 3 (ate Daka), and by Phase 4 was resisting everything and I didn't last long after that.

So it looks like Zombie's Tenacity Down (if not TD and the revive) is more important than in the Tier 6 raid, and absolutely vital in bringing the Rancor down on Heroic.

For reference, here's the full team:

- zzAsajj (G11)
- Talzin (G10)
- Daka (G9)
- Talia (G8)
- NS Spirit (G8)

All of the abilities were maxed and only Asajj had any zetas. Mods were ok, but nothing earth shattering.
naraiceylob
7 years ago
Tenacity down is key in the heroic raid.
scuba75
Rising Traveler
7 years ago
"YKMisfit;c-1561982" wrote:
Well, we tried our first heroic raid as a guild, and I sent in the nightsister team I had, and while it breezed through the first 2 phases, the Rancor started resisting the TM removal too much and eventually got to devour in Phase 3 (ate Daka), and by Phase 4 was resisting everything and I didn't last long after that.

So it looks like Zombie's Tenacity Down (if not TD and the revive) is more important than in the Tier 6 raid, and absolutely vital in bringing the Rancor down on Heroic.

For reference, here's the full team:

- zzAsajj (G11)
- Talzin (G10)
- Daka (G9)
- Talia (G8)
- NS Spirit (G8)

All of the abilities were maxed and only Asajj had any zetas. Mods were ok, but nothing earth shattering.

The only tmr any should be resisting is spirit 20% on basic. The TMR from Asajj lead is unresistable. That said the other helpful thing is speed down from spirit which does need to overcome the rancor tenacity. I also think NA would be better than daka, double attack on basic both with 50% chance to remove TM.
DarkHelmet1138
7 years ago
With enough potency you should be able to get the speed down and tenacity down to stick and you should be able to remove enough tm to solo it but it won't go as fast as a zader lead. Assjj gets her stacking offense from opponents or allies being defeated. You only have the two side minions in phase one then it's just the rancor so there's not much potential to build up assjj's damage. If the gamoran is able to summon more minions, you're letting him take too many turns and I wouldn't suggest purposely doing so. You may be able to get a little stacking offense from zombie dying but once again if the rancor is taking enough turns to kill anyone, you're doing it wrong. But with a fast enough zombie that taunts enough it may be possible. Zader on the other hand, can stack up dots without allowing the enemy to take a turn. But assjj is good for haat and the sith raid where there are more minions so her zeta isn't a waste. But I don't think it is a very efficient way to increase damage on hpit.
stud3099
7 years ago
I've enjoyed reading your progression in this thread. Sounds like you're almost there. The recommendation for acoloyte I think is good but probably I'd probably switch out talia (instead of daka) due to the following. 1.)You don't need talia's heals if the rancor isn't taking turns and she only can double hit on her special if she's below 100% HP which should never happen. 2.) Daka is naturally faster than talia. 3.) Daka technically can hit twice on her basic as well which I think would count for the 50% chance of TMR. This TMR I think outweighs the gain from Talias special every 4 turns.

Probably some extra potency on spirit will do you some good as well.

Looking forward to seeing the video!
YKMisfit
Seasoned Novice
7 years ago
"scuba;c-1562227" wrote:
"YKMisfit;c-1561982" wrote:
Well, we tried our first heroic raid as a guild, and I sent in the nightsister team I had, and while it breezed through the first 2 phases, the Rancor started resisting the TM removal too much and eventually got to devour in Phase 3 (ate Daka), and by Phase 4 was resisting everything and I didn't last long after that.

So it looks like Zombie's Tenacity Down (if not TD and the revive) is more important than in the Tier 6 raid, and absolutely vital in bringing the Rancor down on Heroic.

For reference, here's the full team:

- zzAsajj (G11)
- Talzin (G10)
- Daka (G9)
- Talia (G8)
- NS Spirit (G8)

All of the abilities were maxed and only Asajj had any zetas. Mods were ok, but nothing earth shattering.

The only tmr any should be resisting is spirit 20% on basic. The TMR from Asajj lead is unresistable. That said the other helpful thing is speed down from spirit which does need to overcome the rancor tenacity. I also think NA would be better than daka, double attack on basic both with 50% chance to remove TM.

That's a great point on the TM removal being irresistible. Perhaps my problem wasn't so much with tenacity, but speed or maybe just plain old RNG. Like I said, my mods weren't amazing, so I could definitely do with more speed (my current mods are only adding between 55 and 71 speed to my NS).

You'll see in my OP, I suggested the ideal lineup having Acolyte in place of Daka as well, I just hadn't had the opportunity because my Acolyte is only 5* with lvl 3 abilities. I don't want to stop my current cantina farm to finish NA, but I might make her next.
YKMisfit
Seasoned Novice
7 years ago
"Stud3099;c-1562290" wrote:
I've enjoyed reading your progression in this thread. Sounds like you're almost there. The recommendation for acoloyte I think is good but probably I'd probably switch out talia (instead of daka) due to the following. 1.)You don't need talia's heals if the rancor isn't taking turns and she only can double hit on her special if she's below 100% HP which should never happen. 2.) Daka is naturally faster than talia. 3.) Daka technically can hit twice on her basic as well which I think would count for the 50% chance of TMR. This TMR I think outweighs the gain from Talias special every 4 turns.

Probably some extra potency on spirit will do you some good as well.

Looking forward to seeing the video!

Thanks! I always like to read the threads in here that discuss different setups and how they work (or more importantly WHY they work), so I figured I'd make one of my own in case someone had a similar idea and wanted to discuss the ins and outs. Glad to hear there are others who find that sort of thing as interesting as I do.

You could be right about Talia being the better choice to remove in favour of Acolyte, but my original thought wasn't the benefits of her Harrowing Assault special, but on Water of Life. Usually that move is primarily a heal or a mass cleanse (both useless in this case as long as everything else is WAI), but in the case of a solo Rancor squad, the reason for it is to give 30% TM to all of the other allies and 75% to herself. Just like Talzin's Spirit Blade Assault, it could be used to give additional TM removal when the Rancor starts to get close to getting up there in TM.

If Daka's basic gives two attempts to remove 20% TM as you're suggesting, that's definitely something to think about.