Non GL vs GL

Because you're supposed to get your own GL

Because you both made your choices. Get a GL.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2241863" wrote:

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2241737" wrote:
But if you don't have one, why are you paired with those who do? Making GAC possible, at the very least, would be a much better draw no?

No - first off, if you've been "playing since the beginning" why don't you have a GL? Second, there are non-GL counters to GL, so if you had made better decisions in building your roster (either for GLs or to counter them), you wouldn't have an issue with your GAC matchups.

GAC has been around for quite some time - how matchups are determined is fairly well understood and is fine.

Better question is why would I have a GL? Have you seen the requirements?

Because....they're worth it?

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2241863" wrote:

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2241737" wrote:
But if you don't have one, why are you paired with those who do? Making GAC possible, at the very least, would be a much better draw no?

No - first off, if you've been "playing since the beginning" why don't you have a GL? Second, there are non-GL counters to GL, so if you had made better decisions in building your roster (either for GLs or to counter them), you wouldn't have an issue with your GAC matchups.

GAC has been around for quite some time - how matchups are determined is fairly well understood and is fine.

Better question is why would I have a GL? Have you seen the requirements?

Yes, 300k GP worth of B-/C-squad toons taken to relics for my SLKR. But if you are facing one more more GLs then you must also have invested a comparable amount or resources to build up a comparable amount of GP.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:

Also, just because GAC has been around awhile does not mean I'm wrong. It's never been fair. All I'm asking is why?

1) You cannot ignore GP in matchmaking
2) It would be impractical to attempt to match rosters by specific characters
3) Roster and resource management is as much a part of the game as combat

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:

You say I'm wrong but you have nothing to back up your convictions. I was just paired with someone who has 2 maxed out GLs. How is that fair?

You are responsible for your roster development choices and the matchmaking mechanics have been known for 2 years.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2241863" wrote:

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2241737" wrote:
But if you don't have one, why are you paired with those who do? Making GAC possible, at the very least, would be a much better draw no?

No - first off, if you've been "playing since the beginning" why don't you have a GL? Second, there are non-GL counters to GL, so if you had made better decisions in building your roster (either for GLs or to counter them), you wouldn't have an issue with your GAC matchups.

GAC has been around for quite some time - how matchups are determined is fairly well understood and is fine.

Better question is why would I have a GL? Have you seen the requirements?

Also, just because GAC has been around awhile does not mean I'm wrong. It's never been fair. All I'm asking is why?

You say I'm wrong but you have nothing to back up your convictions. I was just paired with someone who has 2 maxed out GLs. How is that fair?

1) It's not a better question. I have seen the requirements. I have also been playing since the beginning. I have 3 GLs.

2) I explained how it's fair. You are matched by the GP of your top toons. You chose to invest gear/relic levels in non-GL related characters. That was your decision. Don't blame GAC matchmaking because you don't want to develop your roster in a way that maximizes your GAC matchmaking.

3) I absolutely "backed up my convictions" - by pointing out that there are non-GL counters to GLs. So even if you chose not to develop your roster toward GLs, you could have at least built it to counter them. If you wanted better GAC matchups, you should have (or should, moving forward) develop your roster with GAC matchmaking in mind.

Ignoring the GAC matchmaking algorithm while developing your roster, then complaining about your roster in GAC, is not only pointless, it looks pretty silly.

If you post your swgoh.gg profile, we can help you "fix" (or at least explain) your GAC matchup problems. But, if you simply keep complaining that it's "not fair" - it's not going to change and no one can help you.

You absolutely can play how you want - just realize that that comes with the trade off of hurting you in certain areas of the game.

Don't want to develop Geos? That's fine - but you won't be much help in the Wat mission for your guild. The same with clones and the Kam mission.

Many good characters require you to build up factions to acquire them. That's part of the game - always has been. The journey guide is exactly that.

You can farm, gear and relic whoever you want - just realize that there are consequences. And yes, having consequences based on your choices is fair. That's not only true in this game, but IRL too.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243132" wrote:
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.

I can't win. How is that fair?

You can dig yourself out of the hole you’ve dug, it’s not too late. As @TVF said, get your own GL(s). When i started gac I hated it bc I always lost, then I got better about adjusting my roster choices to make gac easier for me, which made matchups easier overall and winning much easier.

Recently I took a bunch of chars to r5 for crancor, and now I’m getting “bad” (aka bad for me due to the decisions I made) matchups and not winning as much.

Now that I have plenty of crancor toons I can go back to being more selective on my choices, which will make gac easier again.

We can complain about gac mm rules, but they are what they are. We can either adjust our behavior or not, just don’t be surprised or upset at the very predictable outcome.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243019" wrote:

"Legend91;c-2242928" wrote:
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.

Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.

I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243164" wrote:

"ImaSmakya;c-2243143" wrote:

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243019" wrote:

"Legend91;c-2242928" wrote:
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.

Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.

I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.

Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?

You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?

I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243169" wrote:

"ImaSmakya;c-2243168" wrote:




I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.

A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked.

They proved you wrong. In case you forgot what you claimed here's your OP:

"Kyp_Durron88;d-243101" wrote:
I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!

No, you're not right. You're wrong. You're also wrong when you claim that you can't catch up. You can always stop making choices that hurt your match-up and slowly improve your roster and your performance in GAC. It will take time. The deeper you dug your hole the longer time it will take to climb back up. However, it's doable. Keep digging or start climbing back up - it's your choice.