Obi Wan Kenobi

Is yoda really that much better if a character then obi wan?

Strongest Jedi in canon

I mean Obi Wan really never lost in a lightsaber battle... He left himself against Vader, he gets forced pushed by dooku and drops a platofrm on him. Bur actual saber battles he never lost. Probably due to his defensive form 3. But he should probably have good health, above average damage, add counter if basic damage is average, and he should also be pretty quick. And should have a good leader ability

I mean, I just want "If You Strike Me Down" to have some sort of useful application. Right now, it's one of the most pointless skills in the game, hands down.

And I would put Obi-Wan as the most Jedi of the Jedi in both the movies and the non-canon universe. He strove for the least attachment, followed the Living Force most closely, and even his lightsaber mastery was the most in line with the Jedi view of not forcing your will on the Force, and allowing it to work through you. Soresu's strict focus on defense over attack is what made him strong in battle, and his reliance on the Force for defense, and not offense.

"Salgado9;130435" wrote:
I mean Obi Wan really never lost in a lightsaber battle... He left himself against Vader, he gets forced pushed by dooku and drops a platofrm on him. Bur actual saber battles he never lost. Probably due to his defensive form 3. But he should probably have good health, above average damage, add counter if basic damage is average, and he should also be pretty quick. And should have a good leader ability

Count Dooku definitely defeated Obi-Wan in Episode 2 in an actual saber battle.

"Salgado9;130435" wrote:
I mean Obi Wan really never lost in a lightsaber battle... He left himself against Vader, he gets forced pushed by dooku and drops a platofrm on him. Bur actual saber battles he never lost.

Uh, I think you missed the Dooku fight at the end of Episode 2. You know, where he got his butt handed to him in under a minute and spent the rest of the fight lying on the floor going "ow, my leg!". And would have been dead if Anakin had not saved him and then Yoda after that.

Also, I think "being tossed across the room like a rag doll and then crushed by a big object that the other guy moves with a wave of his hand" counts as a loss. :) Dooku had Obiwan's number.. bigtime.
He's still probably my favorite character now, even above Luke from the OT. I hope they make him available for everyone to get, and that he's good.

"Qeltar;130467" wrote:

"Salgado9;130435" wrote:
I mean Obi Wan really never lost in a lightsaber battle... He left himself against Vader, he gets forced pushed by dooku and drops a platofrm on him. Bur actual saber battles he never lost.

Uh, I think you missed the Dooku fight at the end of Episode 2. You know, where he got his butt handed to him in under a minute and spent the rest of the fight lying on the floor going "ow, my leg!". And would have been dead if Anakin had not saved him and then Yoda after that.

Also, I think "being tossed across the room like a rag doll and then crushed by a big object that the other guy moves with a wave of his hand" counts as a loss. :) Dooku had Obiwan's number.. bigtime.
He's still probably my favorite character now, even above Luke from the OT. I hope they make him available for everyone to get, and that he's good.

I agee, but Dooku was the only one in all the movies that had Obi-Wan's number. Probably because Obi-Wan was trained by Qui-Gon who was trained by Dooku. He probably knew all of Obi-Wan's tricks because he taught the same ones to Qui-Gon.

I think Dooku was the only one who had Obi-Wan's number because Dooku basically had everyone's number. He certainly had no real problem with Yoda. (I haven't watched all of Clone Wars yet so maybe that's not true there but do me a favor and don't spoil it for me. :) ) Dooku was considered one of the true masters of the art, a former instructor of lightsaber technique with 50+ years of experience. Obi-Wan was a Jedi but still pretty green, so no big surprise that Dooku handled him.
IMO Dooku only lost to Anakin because of Sidious's scheming.

"Qeltar;130485" wrote:
I think Dooku was the only one who had Obi-Wan's number because Dooku basically had everyone's number. He certainly had no real problem with Yoda. (I haven't watched all of Clone Wars yet so maybe that's not true there but do me a favor and don't spoil it for me. :) ) Dooku was considered one of the true masters of the art, a former instructor of lightsaber technique with 50+ years of experience. Obi-Wan was a Jedi but still pretty green, so no big surprise that Dooku handled him.
IMO Dooku only lost to Anakin because of Sidious's scheming.

I've seen all the Clone Wars episodes, but honestly I can't recall if they ever had a rematch.

"Robbathehutt;130478" wrote:

"Qeltar;130467" wrote:

"Salgado9;130435" wrote:
I mean Obi Wan really never lost in a lightsaber battle... He left himself against Vader, he gets forced pushed by dooku and drops a platofrm on him. Bur actual saber battles he never lost.

Uh, I think you missed the Dooku fight at the end of Episode 2. You know, where he got his butt handed to him in under a minute and spent the rest of the fight lying on the floor going "ow, my leg!". And would have been dead if Anakin had not saved him and then Yoda after that.

Also, I think "being tossed across the room like a rag doll and then crushed by a big object that the other guy moves with a wave of his hand" counts as a loss. :) Dooku had Obiwan's number.. bigtime.
He's still probably my favorite character now, even above Luke from the OT. I hope they make him available for everyone to get, and that he's good.

I agee, but Dooku was the only one in all the movies that had Obi-Wan's number. Probably because Obi-Wan was trained by Qui-Gon who was trained by Dooku. He probably knew all of Obi-Wan's tricks because he taught the same ones to Qui-Gon.

It's more about the styles they used; Dooku was a Makashi (Form II) master, which placed emphasis on footwork, strike placement, and penetrating the opponents defense. Soresu (Obi-Wan's) style was focused on deflecting the opponents blows, sometimes very close to the body, and using their momentum and the terrain against them. Against styles that swung hard, or fast, Soresu was excellent at turning back blows, but Makashi was meant more to get inside that defense.

I still think Obi-Wan could have beaten Dooku in a purely lightsaber based contest. But in terms of Force strength, Dooku was probably stronger than him.