Powercreep: how is swgoh handling it?

"YaeVizsla;c-1529374" wrote:

"Cossin;c-1529056" wrote:
Still my impression.... I bet Bossk will be a Sithraid Monster behind a massive pay/playwall

No characters are locked behind paywalls.

This game actually does an exceptional job of not locking characters behind paywalls.

There is a brief period where the impatient can pay to get him early, but just like every other character, give it a month or so, and you can buy from shipments. Give it another month or so, and you can farm just like anyone else.

Everyone who wants Bossk will be able to get Bossk.

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
No one remembers KOTOR specifically for Traya, but now she is the best toon in the game hands down.

Kreia is, quite possibly, the single best-written and most interesting character in all of Star Wars. In fact, she's the one thing that sticks out to me the most about KOTOR.

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529253" wrote:
Yep. Also new toons are coming with the Solo movie.
A good chance the counter will have a Rex lead. Lolol

Calling it now. Therm Scissorpunch. Most OP toon.

It’s all a matter of opinion. I personally think she’s a boring cliché, compared to the other antagonists. Just listen to their names, reflecting their characters: lord of hunger (nihilus is basically a robe and mask that eats people life force to survive, a unique thing) lord of pain (Sion is basically a corpse that is kept alive by hatred, kind of like Vader, but on a much larger and more unique scale) lord of... betrayal (Traya was once a Jedi,( where have I heard that one before) and betrays people and is generally evil and such. Actually, she is basically Sidious or Talzin but with more tired, overused themes, and no group of awesome female warriors and dark side magic or a truly horrifyingly sadistic and diabolically hilarious personality. Also, where have we seen betrayal between bad guys before? Maul and sidious, sidious and dooku, Vader and sidious, sidious and talzin, starscream and megatron, your team mate in a pvp game with team killing, (insert sith apprentice) and (insert sith master), roodaka and sidorak (or literally any bionicle bad guys), and the list goes on. There’s also her most interesting scene (getting beat up by Sion) and her fighting style (floating blades, actually kind of cool, but aesthetics shouldn’t be the center piece of any character) and lastly the cover of the game. The bad guy is always looming and the back, so naturally the most imposing villain would be in that place. Who do we see there? Nihilus. Where do we see Traya? Nowhere. I rest my case.) shoot, that got off topic. At least I don’t seem like a fool now... oh wait...

Bastilla’s force ghost would be a great counter to Traya.

I'm impressed with how diverse the meta is right now. Each new character rework has created an alternative team to use, but not quashed other teams from competing totally (on my shard at least).

"PeteSolo;c-1529528" wrote:

"YaeVizsla;c-1529374" wrote:

"Cossin;c-1529056" wrote:
Still my impression.... I bet Bossk will be a Sithraid Monster behind a massive pay/playwall

No characters are locked behind paywalls.

This game actually does an exceptional job of not locking characters behind paywalls.

There is a brief period where the impatient can pay to get him early, but just like every other character, give it a month or so, and you can buy from shipments. Give it another month or so, and you can farm just like anyone else.

Everyone who wants Bossk will be able to get Bossk.

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
No one remembers KOTOR specifically for Traya, but now she is the best toon in the game hands down.

Kreia is, quite possibly, the single best-written and most interesting character in all of Star Wars. In fact, she's the one thing that sticks out to me the most about KOTOR.

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529253" wrote:
Yep. Also new toons are coming with the Solo movie.
A good chance the counter will have a Rex lead. Lolol

Calling it now. Therm Scissorpunch. Most OP toon.

Man come on, first of all "brief" depends on how you look at it. Mother Talzin was p2p for like 6 months. If you call that brief then idk what to tell you. Shipments are not a f2p farmable location if that's what you mean. The game used to follow the 3 month then free model. Now it's 3 months then shipments and then after like another 3 months it becomes free.

This makes it approximately a 6 month premium period which isn't brief by any stretch of the imagination. Holdo and Rose are still premium, which I'm they should be free by now.

Normal character release cadance:
Marque -> 4-6 weeks to chromium/shipments -> another 4-6 weeks farmable location (granted, this location could be a single hard node)

They only care about meta. Whales > everyone.

"JacenRoe;c-1529305" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1529222" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1529156" wrote:

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
Never have we seen a more blatant and overpowered counter to nearly every team in arena.

Except Droids+Poe when the game first started... and Dooku lead with Rey shortly after... and Wegde+Biggs after that which eventually morphed into the Danger Zone squad... and the Palpatine meta that killed that off... and the Zaul meta that emerged after Zetas came out... and the triple cleanse that mostly killed that off... and the CLS+R2 meta that finished the job... and the JTR meta... and the most recent Zeta Palpatine meta.

So basically 90% of all major arena shifts have been OP, and gutted most other squads to some degree. Anyone remember Chirrut and Baze beating other meta teams 2 vs 5 with no leader ability? Yeah that wasn't fun. But we will adapt, survive, and overcome.

Many of those metas weren't blatantly overpowered like traya appears to be. Dooku/Rey was more annoying than overpowered, and wiggs could be beat by droids, Rex, and Jedi teams.

Traya looks like she's similar to how chaze was but at least when chaze came out they also released zeta abilities at the same time, so people who were smart with farming zetas could keep in step. I don't see anything like that so far

How about we wait until she is actually in the game before pronouncing with such certainty that the sky is falling.

Also several of those metas were far, far worse than you are admitting. There was a time when the top 50 of my arena was 47 Dookus, and 3 QGJs. Rey was the only instakill in the game doing 2-3 times the damage of any other attacker. It wasn't, "annoying." It was THE only viable team.

CLS was the worst in the history of the game as far as I recall. The SWGOH.gg meta report looked like a blue Packman eating all other teams.

And Chase could literally 2 vs 5 anything in existence at the time they were released.

So if Treya destroys the meta I won't be surprised. It's happened repeatedly. But it's not some new, shocking event that's never occurred before. And I actually want to see it happen before I believe it. Once she's in the wild, players will find the cracks in her armor if any exist.

Total exaggerations. What made dooku/Rey annoying is that you would kill Rey only to have her get revived by daka for no reason, or get stuck behind royal guards auto taunt, because your best dispelled was qui gon Jin who was on cooldowns. In other words it was simply an rng fest, just like now

And CLS was not the worst meta ever, not even close. CLS teams had glaring weaknesses that a smart player could exploit. At the height of the CLS meta, you could run CLS teams, kenobi/zarris, ackbar/hoda, KRU first order, ewoks, or several different nightsister variants and still compete for top tier arena. Thats much better diversity than most arena metas we've seen

"OnEMesSduPKiD;c-1529543" wrote:
They only care about meta. Whales > everyone.

Well it’s a little more than that but This game really isn’t bad towards ftp. Also I’m sure whales are probably feeling that things have been more in favor of ftp lately. If people choose to spend their money on something that’s their right. Which also creates an environment for so many ftp to hang

"Georgemi6;c-1529448" wrote:

"YaeVizsla;c-1529374" wrote:

"Cossin;c-1529056" wrote:
Still my impression.... I bet Bossk will be a Sithraid Monster behind a massive pay/playwall

No characters are locked behind paywalls.

This game actually does an exceptional job of not locking characters behind paywalls.

There is a brief period where the impatient can pay to get him early, but just like every other character, give it a month or so, and you can buy from shipments. Give it another month or so, and you can farm just like anyone else.

Everyone who wants Bossk will be able to get Bossk.

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
No one remembers KOTOR specifically for Traya, but now she is the best toon in the game hands down.

Kreia is, quite possibly, the single best-written and most interesting character in all of Star Wars. In fact, she's the one thing that sticks out to me the most about KOTOR.

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529253" wrote:
Yep. Also new toons are coming with the Solo movie.
A good chance the counter will have a Rex lead. Lolol

Calling it now. Therm Scissorpunch. Most OP toon.

It’s all a matter of opinion. I personally think she’s a boring cliché, compared to the other antagonists. Just listen to their names, reflecting their characters: lord of hunger (nihilus is basically a robe and mask that eats people life force to survive, a unique thing) lord of pain (Sion is basically a corpse that is kept alive by hatred, kind of like Vader, but on a much larger and more unique scale) lord of... betrayal (Traya was once a Jedi,( where have I heard that one before) and betrays people and is generally evil and such. Actually, she is basically Sidious or Talzin but with more tired, overused themes, and no group of awesome female warriors and dark side magic or a truly horrifyingly sadistic and diabolically hilarious personality. Also, where have we seen betrayal between bad guys before? Maul and sidious, sidious and dooku, Vader and sidious, sidious and talzin, starscream and megatron, your team mate in a pvp game with team killing, (insert sith apprentice) and (insert sith master), roodaka and sidorak (or literally any bionicle bad guys), and the list goes on. There’s also her most interesting scene (getting beat up by Sion) and her fighting style (floating blades, actually kind of cool, but aesthetics shouldn’t be the center piece of any character) and lastly the cover of the game. The bad guy is always looming and the back, so naturally the most imposing villain would be in that place. Who do we see there? Nihilus. Where do we see Traya? Nowhere. I rest my case.) shoot, that got off topic. At least I don’t seem like a fool now... oh wait...

Do you actually know anything about the character? She is the only one of the triumvirate, and one of the few Star Wars characters overall with any depth. Nihilus eats people... cuz he's hungry. Sion is mad... but like REALLY mad.

Treya left the Jedi essentially because all her students left to go fight when the galaxy was threatened, and the Jedi Counsel didn't approve. She didn't just get mad and fall to the dark side, but she embraced the dark after leaving the Jedi because she wasn't welcome. She wasn't evil, while there, and she didn't tell anyone to go off, and disobey the Counsel. She just trained students to think for themselves, and that's not permitted in the Jedi order. So she left.

And as a Sith Lord she was surrounded by sadistic, violent cutthroats who betrayed her. She came to believe that both Jedi, and Sith were mindless adherents to narrow ideologies.

She isn't driven to take over the world/galaxy/universe for no reason at all like Palpatine/Sideous, and every other boring two dimensional cartoon villain. She isn't even evil strictly speaking. She actually scolds you in KOTOR 2 if you are mean for no reason. She actually wants to train the Exile to decide what she wants/believe on her own, to think independently, and to train others to do the same after she's gone.

And she also has as an ulterior motive the death of the force itself. The "will" of the force is a common theme in Star Wars, and she detests the idea that it controls or influence her. Which is why she is so taken with the Exile who severed her own connection to it. She seeks a way to end the influence of the force through the Exile who seems to be able to use the force, but isn't a slave to it's will.

So the centerpiece of her character is that she is nether Jedi nor Sith. She's been both, and outgrown both. She is an existentialist philosopher with lightsabers who's personal mission is to end the pointless cycles of light and dark.

Now, if that's not interesting to you that's fine. You can think that's boring. That's also fine. Just actually know why you don't like her instead of doing what you did which is say a bunch of stuff that totally false, because you glanced at her and think that tells you all you need to know.

"JacenRoe;c-1529569" wrote:

"Georgemi6;c-1529448" wrote:

"YaeVizsla;c-1529374" wrote:

"Cossin;c-1529056" wrote:
Still my impression.... I bet Bossk will be a Sithraid Monster behind a massive pay/playwall

No characters are locked behind paywalls.

This game actually does an exceptional job of not locking characters behind paywalls.

There is a brief period where the impatient can pay to get him early, but just like every other character, give it a month or so, and you can buy from shipments. Give it another month or so, and you can farm just like anyone else.

Everyone who wants Bossk will be able to get Bossk.

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
No one remembers KOTOR specifically for Traya, but now she is the best toon in the game hands down.

Kreia is, quite possibly, the single best-written and most interesting character in all of Star Wars. In fact, she's the one thing that sticks out to me the most about KOTOR.

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529253" wrote:
Yep. Also new toons are coming with the Solo movie.
A good chance the counter will have a Rex lead. Lolol

Calling it now. Therm Scissorpunch. Most OP toon.

It’s all a matter of opinion. I personally think she’s a boring cliché, compared to the other antagonists. Just listen to their names, reflecting their characters: lord of hunger (nihilus is basically a robe and mask that eats people life force to survive, a unique thing) lord of pain (Sion is basically a corpse that is kept alive by hatred, kind of like Vader, but on a much larger and more unique scale) lord of... betrayal (Traya was once a Jedi,( where have I heard that one before) and betrays people and is generally evil and such. Actually, she is basically Sidious or Talzin but with more tired, overused themes, and no group of awesome female warriors and dark side magic or a truly horrifyingly sadistic and diabolically hilarious personality. Also, where have we seen betrayal between bad guys before? Maul and sidious, sidious and dooku, Vader and sidious, sidious and talzin, starscream and megatron, your team mate in a pvp game with team killing, (insert sith apprentice) and (insert sith master), roodaka and sidorak (or literally any bionicle bad guys), and the list goes on. There’s also her most interesting scene (getting beat up by Sion) and her fighting style (floating blades, actually kind of cool, but aesthetics shouldn’t be the center piece of any character) and lastly the cover of the game. The bad guy is always looming and the back, so naturally the most imposing villain would be in that place. Who do we see there? Nihilus. Where do we see Traya? Nowhere. I rest my case.) shoot, that got off topic. At least I don’t seem like a fool now... oh wait...

Do you actually know anything about the character? She is the only one of the triumvirate, and one of the few Star Wars characters overall with any depth. Nihilus eats people... cuz he's hungry. Sion is mad... but like REALLY mad.

Treya left the Jedi essentially because all her students left to go fight when the galaxy was threatened, and the Jedi Counsel didn't approve. She didn't just get mad and fall to the dark side, but she embraced the dark after leaving the Jedi because she wasn't welcome. She wasn't evil, while there, and she didn't tell anyone to go off, and disobey the Counsel. She just trained students to think for themselves, and that's not permitted in the Jedi order. So she left.

And as a Sith Lord she was surrounded by sadistic, violent cutthroats who betrayed her. She came to believe that both Jedi, and Sith were mindless adherents to narrow ideologies.

She isn't driven to take over the world/galaxy/universe for no reason at all like Palpatine/Sideous, and every other boring two dimensional cartoon villain. She isn't even evil strictly speaking. She actually scolds you in KOTOR 2 if you are mean for no reason. She actually wants to train the Exile to decide what she wants/believe on her own, to think independently, and to train others to do the same after she's gone.

And she also has as an ulterior motive the death of the force itself. The "will" of the force is a common theme in Star Wars, and she detests the idea that it controls or influence her. Which is why she is so taken with the Exile who severed her own connection to it. She seeks a way to end the influence of the force through the Exile who seems to be able to use the force, but isn't a slave to it's will.

So the centerpiece of her character is that she is nether Jedi nor Sith. She's been both, and outgrown both. She is an existentialist philosopher with lightsabers who's personal mission is to end the pointless cycles of light and dark.

Now, if that's not interesting to you that's fine. You can think that's boring. That's also fine. Just actually know why you don't like her instead of doing what you did which is say a bunch of stuff that totally false, because you glanced at her and think that tells you all you need to know.

Yeah, these arguments are pretty lame. The story of the sith triumvirate is a really strong one. The idea that nihilus essentially underwent a nuclear blast and survived, but came out completely changed and evil is a great theme and has a lot of relevance to modern society

The whole story of KOTOR 2 is about whether or not a war can be just, and what the costs of going to war are

"PeteSolo;c-1529528" wrote:
Man come on, first of all "brief" depends on how you look at it. Mother Talzin was p2p for like 6 months. If you call that brief then idk what to tell you. Shipments are not a f2p farmable location if that's what you mean. The game used to follow the 3 month then free model. Now it's 3 months then shipments and then after like another 3 months it becomes free.

This makes it approximately a 6 month premium period which isn't brief by any stretch of the imagination. Holdo and Rose are still premium, which I'm they should be free by now.

1) Talzin and Wicket were an experiment. A failed experiment.

2) Talzin was not pay gated. She was initially available in packs, but that never came back. After that, it was just the event. It wasn't a gate to make more money; they weren't making any more money, because they weren't concurrently selling Talzing packs.

3) They're farmable right now, free. Have patience.

As to Holdo? I'm sure she'll get into a node shortly.