Powercreep: how is swgoh handling it?

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1529222" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1529156" wrote:

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
Never have we seen a more blatant and overpowered counter to nearly every team in arena.

Except Droids+Poe when the game first started... and Dooku lead with Rey shortly after... and Wegde+Biggs after that which eventually morphed into the Danger Zone squad... and the Palpatine meta that killed that off... and the Zaul meta that emerged after Zetas came out... and the triple cleanse that mostly killed that off... and the CLS+R2 meta that finished the job... and the JTR meta... and the most recent Zeta Palpatine meta.

So basically 90% of all major arena shifts have been OP, and gutted most other squads to some degree. Anyone remember Chirrut and Baze beating other meta teams 2 vs 5 with no leader ability? Yeah that wasn't fun. But we will adapt, survive, and overcome.

Many of those metas weren't blatantly overpowered like traya appears to be. Dooku/Rey was more annoying than overpowered, and wiggs could be beat by droids, Rex, and Jedi teams.

Traya looks like she's similar to how chaze was but at least when chaze came out they also released zeta abilities at the same time, so people who were smart with farming zetas could keep in step. I don't see anything like that so far

I think what Jacen is conveying is that toons/teams have always been op at a time and follow through on being pushed back after time.
Treya’s opness is also because this game is different than the days of dooku and Rey.

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529228" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1529222" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1529156" wrote:

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
Never have we seen a more blatant and overpowered counter to nearly every team in arena.

Except Droids+Poe when the game first started... and Dooku lead with Rey shortly after... and Wegde+Biggs after that which eventually morphed into the Danger Zone squad... and the Palpatine meta that killed that off... and the Zaul meta that emerged after Zetas came out... and the triple cleanse that mostly killed that off... and the CLS+R2 meta that finished the job... and the JTR meta... and the most recent Zeta Palpatine meta.

So basically 90% of all major arena shifts have been OP, and gutted most other squads to some degree. Anyone remember Chirrut and Baze beating other meta teams 2 vs 5 with no leader ability? Yeah that wasn't fun. But we will adapt, survive, and overcome.

Many of those metas weren't blatantly overpowered like traya appears to be. Dooku/Rey was more annoying than overpowered, and wiggs could be beat by droids, Rex, and Jedi teams.

Traya looks like she's similar to how chaze was but at least when chaze came out they also released zeta abilities at the same time, so people who were smart with farming zetas could keep in step. I don't see anything like that so far

I think what Jacen is conveying is that toons/teams have always been op at a time and follow through on being pushed back after time.
Treya’s opness is also because this game is different than the days of dooku and Rey.

Anytime you have a meta people are going to complain about it being overpowered. The real question, is whether or not that complaining is justified. Is that specific set of characters so overpowered that other very strong teams reasonably can't compete against it?

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529228" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1529222" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1529156" wrote:

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
Never have we seen a more blatant and overpowered counter to nearly every team in arena.

Except Droids+Poe when the game first started... and Dooku lead with Rey shortly after... and Wegde+Biggs after that which eventually morphed into the Danger Zone squad... and the Palpatine meta that killed that off... and the Zaul meta that emerged after Zetas came out... and the triple cleanse that mostly killed that off... and the CLS+R2 meta that finished the job... and the JTR meta... and the most recent Zeta Palpatine meta.

So basically 90% of all major arena shifts have been OP, and gutted most other squads to some degree. Anyone remember Chirrut and Baze beating other meta teams 2 vs 5 with no leader ability? Yeah that wasn't fun. But we will adapt, survive, and overcome.

Many of those metas weren't blatantly overpowered like traya appears to be. Dooku/Rey was more annoying than overpowered, and wiggs could be beat by droids, Rex, and Jedi teams.

Traya looks like she's similar to how chaze was but at least when chaze came out they also released zeta abilities at the same time, so people who were smart with farming zetas could keep in step. I don't see anything like that so far

I think what Jacen is conveying is that toons/teams have always been op at a time and follow through on being pushed back after time.
Treya’s opness is also because this game is different than the days of dooku and Rey.

There is also a chance that if/when a new meta emerges, a new counter comes out to balance it to some extent. I know there has been some theory crafting but it always takes time for a solid counter to emerge, some people just need to be in the heat of battle to be inspired.

"Kyno;c-1529250" wrote:

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529228" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1529222" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1529156" wrote:

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
Never have we seen a more blatant and overpowered counter to nearly every team in arena.

Except Droids+Poe when the game first started... and Dooku lead with Rey shortly after... and Wegde+Biggs after that which eventually morphed into the Danger Zone squad... and the Palpatine meta that killed that off... and the Zaul meta that emerged after Zetas came out... and the triple cleanse that mostly killed that off... and the CLS+R2 meta that finished the job... and the JTR meta... and the most recent Zeta Palpatine meta.

So basically 90% of all major arena shifts have been OP, and gutted most other squads to some degree. Anyone remember Chirrut and Baze beating other meta teams 2 vs 5 with no leader ability? Yeah that wasn't fun. But we will adapt, survive, and overcome.

Many of those metas weren't blatantly overpowered like traya appears to be. Dooku/Rey was more annoying than overpowered, and wiggs could be beat by droids, Rex, and Jedi teams.

Traya looks like she's similar to how chaze was but at least when chaze came out they also released zeta abilities at the same time, so people who were smart with farming zetas could keep in step. I don't see anything like that so far

I think what Jacen is conveying is that toons/teams have always been op at a time and follow through on being pushed back after time.
Treya’s opness is also because this game is different than the days of dooku and Rey.

There is also a chance that if/when a new meta emerges, a new counter comes out to balance it to some extent. I know there has been some theory crafting but it always takes time for a solid counter to emerge, some people just need to be in the heat of battle to be inspired.

Yep. Also new toons are coming with the Solo movie.
A good chance the counter will have a Rex lead. Lolol

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529253" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1529250" wrote:

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529228" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1529222" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1529156" wrote:

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
Never have we seen a more blatant and overpowered counter to nearly every team in arena.

Except Droids+Poe when the game first started... and Dooku lead with Rey shortly after... and Wegde+Biggs after that which eventually morphed into the Danger Zone squad... and the Palpatine meta that killed that off... and the Zaul meta that emerged after Zetas came out... and the triple cleanse that mostly killed that off... and the CLS+R2 meta that finished the job... and the JTR meta... and the most recent Zeta Palpatine meta.

So basically 90% of all major arena shifts have been OP, and gutted most other squads to some degree. Anyone remember Chirrut and Baze beating other meta teams 2 vs 5 with no leader ability? Yeah that wasn't fun. But we will adapt, survive, and overcome.

Many of those metas weren't blatantly overpowered like traya appears to be. Dooku/Rey was more annoying than overpowered, and wiggs could be beat by droids, Rex, and Jedi teams.

Traya looks like she's similar to how chaze was but at least when chaze came out they also released zeta abilities at the same time, so people who were smart with farming zetas could keep in step. I don't see anything like that so far

I think what Jacen is conveying is that toons/teams have always been op at a time and follow through on being pushed back after time.
Treya’s opness is also because this game is different than the days of dooku and Rey.

There is also a chance that if/when a new meta emerges, a new counter comes out to balance it to some extent. I know there has been some theory crafting but it always takes time for a solid counter to emerge, some people just need to be in the heat of battle to be inspired.

Yep. Also new toons are coming with the Solo movie.
A good chance the counter will have a Rex lead. Lolol

Yes and no, rex lead relies on a tank, which is usually GK. AI likes his cleans which leads to retribution..... retribution is bad with treya, em kay.

"Kyno;c-1529259" wrote:

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529253" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1529250" wrote:

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529228" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1529222" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1529156" wrote:

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
Never have we seen a more blatant and overpowered counter to nearly every team in arena.

Except Droids+Poe when the game first started... and Dooku lead with Rey shortly after... and Wegde+Biggs after that which eventually morphed into the Danger Zone squad... and the Palpatine meta that killed that off... and the Zaul meta that emerged after Zetas came out... and the triple cleanse that mostly killed that off... and the CLS+R2 meta that finished the job... and the JTR meta... and the most recent Zeta Palpatine meta.

So basically 90% of all major arena shifts have been OP, and gutted most other squads to some degree. Anyone remember Chirrut and Baze beating other meta teams 2 vs 5 with no leader ability? Yeah that wasn't fun. But we will adapt, survive, and overcome.

Many of those metas weren't blatantly overpowered like traya appears to be. Dooku/Rey was more annoying than overpowered, and wiggs could be beat by droids, Rex, and Jedi teams.

Traya looks like she's similar to how chaze was but at least when chaze came out they also released zeta abilities at the same time, so people who were smart with farming zetas could keep in step. I don't see anything like that so far

I think what Jacen is conveying is that toons/teams have always been op at a time and follow through on being pushed back after time.
Treya’s opness is also because this game is different than the days of dooku and Rey.

There is also a chance that if/when a new meta emerges, a new counter comes out to balance it to some extent. I know there has been some theory crafting but it always takes time for a solid counter to emerge, some people just need to be in the heat of battle to be inspired.

Yep. Also new toons are coming with the Solo movie.
A good chance the counter will have a Rex lead. Lolol

Yes and no, rex lead relies on a tank, which is usually GK. AI likes his cleans which leads to retribution..... retribution is bad with treya, em kay.

I’m so out of the loop! Playing the third tier of with raid. I just Auto it.

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1529222" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1529156" wrote:

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
Never have we seen a more blatant and overpowered counter to nearly every team in arena.

Except Droids+Poe when the game first started... and Dooku lead with Rey shortly after... and Wegde+Biggs after that which eventually morphed into the Danger Zone squad... and the Palpatine meta that killed that off... and the Zaul meta that emerged after Zetas came out... and the triple cleanse that mostly killed that off... and the CLS+R2 meta that finished the job... and the JTR meta... and the most recent Zeta Palpatine meta.

So basically 90% of all major arena shifts have been OP, and gutted most other squads to some degree. Anyone remember Chirrut and Baze beating other meta teams 2 vs 5 with no leader ability? Yeah that wasn't fun. But we will adapt, survive, and overcome.

Many of those metas weren't blatantly overpowered like traya appears to be. Dooku/Rey was more annoying than overpowered, and wiggs could be beat by droids, Rex, and Jedi teams.

Traya looks like she's similar to how chaze was but at least when chaze came out they also released zeta abilities at the same time, so people who were smart with farming zetas could keep in step. I don't see anything like that so far

How about we wait until she is actually in the game before pronouncing with such certainty that the sky is falling.

Also several of those metas were far, far worse than you are admitting. There was a time when the top 50 of my arena was 47 Dookus, and 3 QGJs. Rey was the only instakill in the game doing 2-3 times the damage of any other attacker. It wasn't, "annoying." It was THE only viable team.

CLS was the worst in the history of the game as far as I recall. The SWGOH.gg meta report looked like a blue Packman eating all other teams.

And Chase could literally 2 vs 5 anything in existence at the time they were released.

So if Treya destroys the meta I won't be surprised. It's happened repeatedly. But it's not some new, shocking event that's never occurred before. And I actually want to see it happen before I believe it. Once she's in the wild, players will find the cracks in her armor if any exist.

"JacenRoe;c-1529305" wrote:

How about we wait until she is actually in the game before pronouncing with such certainty that the sky is falling.

Supposedly some folks from a high end guild posted they have her already and everything points to Sion, Tray and Nih can handle all metas by themselves.

Since they are Sith, they still fall into the EP Vader meta, so they can’t break the meta since they are the meta.

"Cossin;c-1529056" wrote:
Still my impression.... I bet Bossk will be a Sithraid Monster behind a massive pay/playwall

No characters are locked behind paywalls.

This game actually does an exceptional job of not locking characters behind paywalls.

There is a brief period where the impatient can pay to get him early, but just like every other character, give it a month or so, and you can buy from shipments. Give it another month or so, and you can farm just like anyone else.

Everyone who wants Bossk will be able to get Bossk.

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
No one remembers KOTOR specifically for Traya, but now she is the best toon in the game hands down.

Kreia is, quite possibly, the single best-written and most interesting character in all of Star Wars. In fact, she's the one thing that sticks out to me the most about KOTOR.

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529253" wrote:
Yep. Also new toons are coming with the Solo movie.
A good chance the counter will have a Rex lead. Lolol

Calling it now. Therm Scissorpunch. Most OP toon.

"YaeVizsla;c-1529374" wrote:

"Cossin;c-1529056" wrote:
Still my impression.... I bet Bossk will be a Sithraid Monster behind a massive pay/playwall

No characters are locked behind paywalls.

This game actually does an exceptional job of not locking characters behind paywalls.

There is a brief period where the impatient can pay to get him early, but just like every other character, give it a month or so, and you can buy from shipments. Give it another month or so, and you can farm just like anyone else.

Everyone who wants Bossk will be able to get Bossk.

"Georgemi6;c-1529143" wrote:
No one remembers KOTOR specifically for Traya, but now she is the best toon in the game hands down.

Kreia is, quite possibly, the single best-written and most interesting character in all of Star Wars. In fact, she's the one thing that sticks out to me the most about KOTOR.

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1529253" wrote:
Yep. Also new toons are coming with the Solo movie.
A good chance the counter will have a Rex lead. Lolol

Calling it now. Therm Scissorpunch. Most OP toon.

I’ll take that bet!