Proof Armor has increased.

"gobears21;603049" wrote:
I don't know if this is across the board or not but this has rendered my droid squad a LOT less useful right now. It is this kind of shenanigans that seems to be happening every month now that makes this game not fun. We spend a LOT of time and resources farming one squad only to have it silently nerfed.

Done on purpose to keep you spending

I am kind of surprised the evasion meta lasted this long (and possibly even longer now)

@LastJedi I don't know my team seems to be the same as before damage wise. I vsed a Fives and 88s damage was only 8k but the next attack was 12k so it varies.

Against low armor targets, it won't be a big difference. I think you will see a difference in the long run and in your rank. I think standard droid team will still be ok on offense, but will have to avoid certain teams, now. And be more vulnerable on defense. Right, now I'm expecting to still make top five for the short term, but it might take a refresh to do it. Starting farther back and potentially losing some of the battles on offense that used to be a sure thing. And having to take on some more difficult battles.

In a month, when the defense mod craze sets in and new squad combos come out of this, all bets are off.

"WhaleKiller1;603612" wrote:

"LastJedi;603562" wrote:
Against low armor targets, it won't be a big difference. I think you will see a difference in the long run and in your rank. I think standard droid team will still be ok on offense, but will have to avoid certain teams, now. And be more vulnerable on defense. Right, now I'm expecting to still make top five for the short term, but it might take a refresh to do it. Starting farther back and potentially losing some of the battles on offense that used to be a sure thing. And having to take on some more difficult battles.

In a month, when the defense mod craze sets in and new squad combos come out of this, all bets are off.

Actually defense mods make very little difference in the actual armor stat. The jump in base armor was significant after the update, but mods won't make it that much more significant.

Adding a 11.75% defense primary mod only gives someone like RG 2% more armor and resistance. If he's outfitted in all defense mods, that's only 15% defense bonus so he may get 2.5% more armor and resistance from that.

I really don't know what they do with the rest of that 11.75 or 15% defense. Try equipping one yourself and see how much the armor goes up.

Well now if he is up to like 25 percent base, he would gain like 25% of 15%. So like 4% rather than 2.5%. This update may make defense mods relevant.

Edit. Just tried its and it is still only like 2% change on an 11.75% defense mod. Yeh that is weird. I guess his base is closer to 20%.

"LastJedi;603615" wrote:

"WhaleKiller1;603612" wrote:

"LastJedi;603562" wrote:
Against low armor targets, it won't be a big difference. I think you will see a difference in the long run and in your rank. I think standard droid team will still be ok on offense, but will have to avoid certain teams, now. And be more vulnerable on defense. Right, now I'm expecting to still make top five for the short term, but it might take a refresh to do it. Starting farther back and potentially losing some of the battles on offense that used to be a sure thing. And having to take on some more difficult battles.

In a month, when the defense mod craze sets in and new squad combos come out of this, all bets are off.

Actually defense mods make very little difference in the actual armor stat. The jump in base armor was significant after the update, but mods won't make it that much more significant.

Adding a 11.75% defense primary mod only gives someone like RG 2% more armor and resistance. If he's outfitted in all defense mods, that's only 15% defense bonus so he may get 2.5% more armor and resistance from that.

I really don't know what they do with the rest of that 11.75 or 15% defense. Try equipping one yourself and see how much the armor goes up.

Well now if he is up to like 25 percent base, he would gain like 25% of 15%. So like 4% rather than 2.5%. This update may make defense mods relevant.

Doubtful. Chewbacca was gaining ~1.5% before update now only 2.25% with 11.75% add. Chewbacca base before was 14% now is 28%.

"WhaleKiller1;603627" wrote:

"LastJedi;603615" wrote:

"WhaleKiller1;603612" wrote:

"LastJedi;603562" wrote:
Against low armor targets, it won't be a big difference. I think you will see a difference in the long run and in your rank. I think standard droid team will still be ok on offense, but will have to avoid certain teams, now. And be more vulnerable on defense. Right, now I'm expecting to still make top five for the short term, but it might take a refresh to do it. Starting farther back and potentially losing some of the battles on offense that used to be a sure thing. And having to take on some more difficult battles.

In a month, when the defense mod craze sets in and new squad combos come out of this, all bets are off.

Actually defense mods make very little difference in the actual armor stat. The jump in base armor was significant after the update, but mods won't make it that much more significant.

Adding a 11.75% defense primary mod only gives someone like RG 2% more armor and resistance. If he's outfitted in all defense mods, that's only 15% defense bonus so he may get 2.5% more armor and resistance from that.

I really don't know what they do with the rest of that 11.75 or 15% defense. Try equipping one yourself and see how much the armor goes up.

Well now if he is up to like 25 percent base, he would gain like 25% of 15%. So like 4% rather than 2.5%. This update may make defense mods relevant.

Edit. Just tried its and it is still only like 2% change on an 11.75% defense mod. Yeh that is weird. I guess his base is closer to 20%.

I'm thinking it's not working properly. Why does 11.75% mod only give a 2% change in stats? It's like they misplaced the decimal or something.

Defense mods as well as tenacity seem to be a bust so far.

The mods change the base percent. S0 if all of your mods total up to +50% defense, then your base 20% armor becomes 30% armor. 20 + 05.(20) = 30 %.

Try removing mods without confirming and do the math on the stats changes to confirm for yourself :)

"LastJedi;603615" wrote:

"WhaleKiller1;603612" wrote:

"LastJedi;603562" wrote:
Against low armor targets, it won't be a big difference. I think you will see a difference in the long run and in your rank. I think standard droid team will still be ok on offense, but will have to avoid certain teams, now. And be more vulnerable on defense. Right, now I'm expecting to still make top five for the short term, but it might take a refresh to do it. Starting farther back and potentially losing some of the battles on offense that used to be a sure thing. And having to take on some more difficult battles.

In a month, when the defense mod craze sets in and new squad combos come out of this, all bets are off.

Actually defense mods make very little difference in the actual armor stat. The jump in base armor was significant after the update, but mods won't make it that much more significant.

Adding a 11.75% defense primary mod only gives someone like RG 2% more armor and resistance. If he's outfitted in all defense mods, that's only 15% defense bonus so he may get 2.5% more armor and resistance from that.

I really don't know what they do with the rest of that 11.75 or 15% defense. Try equipping one yourself and see how much the armor goes up.

Well now if he is up to like 25 percent base, he would gain like 25% of 15%. So like 4% rather than 2.5%. This update may make defense mods relevant.

Edit. Just tried its and it is still only like 2% change on an 11.75% defense mod. Yeh that is weird. I guess his base is closer to 20%.

An 15% increase to 25% base is a 3.75% increase to armor. However, increasing from 25% to 28.75% is actually a 6.5% increase in effective hp. But, because this is applied both to health and protection after considering mods, you'll need at least 22% extra hp and protection from mods for the defense bonus to be worth it, assuming equal hp and protection base for your toon. Basically, this means at 25% base you need at least two +23.5% protection mods to make a defense set better, and less at higher armor values, making defense mod sets better now in the majority of cases.

edit: I'm actually underestimating the EHP from mods because I'm calculating using the base defense value. Regardless, defense mod sets will be better in terms of EHP for the majority of toons.

"WhaleKiller1;603627" wrote:

"LastJedi;603615" wrote:

"WhaleKiller1;603612" wrote:

"LastJedi;603562" wrote:
Against low armor targets, it won't be a big difference. I think you will see a difference in the long run and in your rank. I think standard droid team will still be ok on offense, but will have to avoid certain teams, now. And be more vulnerable on defense. Right, now I'm expecting to still make top five for the short term, but it might take a refresh to do it. Starting farther back and potentially losing some of the battles on offense that used to be a sure thing. And having to take on some more difficult battles.

In a month, when the defense mod craze sets in and new squad combos come out of this, all bets are off.

Actually defense mods make very little difference in the actual armor stat. The jump in base armor was significant after the update, but mods won't make it that much more significant.

Adding a 11.75% defense primary mod only gives someone like RG 2% more armor and resistance. If he's outfitted in all defense mods, that's only 15% defense bonus so he may get 2.5% more armor and resistance from that.

I really don't know what they do with the rest of that 11.75 or 15% defense. Try equipping one yourself and see how much the armor goes up.

Well now if he is up to like 25 percent base, he would gain like 25% of 15%. So like 4% rather than 2.5%. This update may make defense mods relevant.

Edit. Just tried its and it is still only like 2% change on an 11.75% defense mod. Yeh that is weird. I guess his base is closer to 20%.

I'm thinking it's not working properly. Why does 11.75% mod only give a 2% change in stats? It's like they misplaced the decimal or something.

Defense mods as well as tenacity seem to be a bust so far.

I want to know how you can add an integer number to a stat that is in % format?

Also why is it different for every character? +11.75% defense changes Chewbacca differently than say Rey.

"scuba;603633" wrote:

"WhaleKiller1;603627" wrote:

"LastJedi;603615" wrote:

"WhaleKiller1;603612" wrote:

"LastJedi;603562" wrote:
Against low armor targets, it won't be a big difference. I think you will see a difference in the long run and in your rank. I think standard droid team will still be ok on offense, but will have to avoid certain teams, now. And be more vulnerable on defense. Right, now I'm expecting to still make top five for the short term, but it might take a refresh to do it. Starting farther back and potentially losing some of the battles on offense that used to be a sure thing. And having to take on some more difficult battles.

In a month, when the defense mod craze sets in and new squad combos come out of this, all bets are off.

Actually defense mods make very little difference in the actual armor stat. The jump in base armor was significant after the update, but mods won't make it that much more significant.

Adding a 11.75% defense primary mod only gives someone like RG 2% more armor and resistance. If he's outfitted in all defense mods, that's only 15% defense bonus so he may get 2.5% more armor and resistance from that.

I really don't know what they do with the rest of that 11.75 or 15% defense. Try equipping one yourself and see how much the armor goes up.

Well now if he is up to like 25 percent base, he would gain like 25% of 15%. So like 4% rather than 2.5%. This update may make defense mods relevant.

Edit. Just tried its and it is still only like 2% change on an 11.75% defense mod. Yeh that is weird. I guess his base is closer to 20%.

I'm thinking it's not working properly. Why does 11.75% mod only give a 2% change in stats? It's like they misplaced the decimal or something.

Defense mods as well as tenacity seem to be a bust so far.

I want to know how you can add an integer number to a stat that is in % format?

Also why is it different for every character? +11.75% defense changes Chewbacca differently than say Rey.

Multiplier. Defense appears to act as a multiplier, not added the way crit damage is done. If chewie has base armor of 20%, he gains twice as much from a %defense mod as a toon with base 10%.

"Zooey;603632" wrote:

"LastJedi;603615" wrote:

"WhaleKiller1;603612" wrote:

"LastJedi;603562" wrote:
Against low armor targets, it won't be a big difference. I think you will see a difference in the long run and in your rank. I think standard droid team will still be ok on offense, but will have to avoid certain teams, now. And be more vulnerable on defense. Right, now I'm expecting to still make top five for the short term, but it might take a refresh to do it. Starting farther back and potentially losing some of the battles on offense that used to be a sure thing. And having to take on some more difficult battles.

In a month, when the defense mod craze sets in and new squad combos come out of this, all bets are off.

Actually defense mods make very little difference in the actual armor stat. The jump in base armor was significant after the update, but mods won't make it that much more significant.

Adding a 11.75% defense primary mod only gives someone like RG 2% more armor and resistance. If he's outfitted in all defense mods, that's only 15% defense bonus so he may get 2.5% more armor and resistance from that.

I really don't know what they do with the rest of that 11.75 or 15% defense. Try equipping one yourself and see how much the armor goes up.

Well now if he is up to like 25 percent base, he would gain like 25% of 15%. So like 4% rather than 2.5%. This update may make defense mods relevant.

Edit. Just tried its and it is still only like 2% change on an 11.75% defense mod. Yeh that is weird. I guess his base is closer to 20%.

An 15% increase to 25% base is a 3.75% increase to armor. However, increasing from 25% to 28.75% is actually a 6.5% increase in effective hp. But, because this is applied both to health and protection after considering mods, you'll need at least 22% extra hp and protection from mods for the defense bonus to be worth it, assuming equal hp and protection base for your toon. Basically, this means at 25% base you need at least two +23.5% protection mods to make a defense set better, and less at higher armor values, making defense mod sets better now in the majority of cases.

edit: I'm actually underestimating the EHP from mods because I'm calculating using the base defense value. Regardless, defense mod sets will be better in terms of EHP for the majority of toons.

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