QnA discrepancies

"Kyno;c-2096849" wrote:
They have explained where they are coming from with the "data", and they have other places where they monitor and talk with players.

agree or dont, they have some information about the situation. There are also other points that can be made:
- if a player has something going on IRL, anything not rewards based would probably be the first thing they dont play.
- not everyone will use it. plain and simple, a mode like this will without a doubt have the lowest % of interaction compared to modes that give rewards.
- unfortunately there is no "simple compromise", once it is in game people are going to ask for upgrades and QOL, its a game feature and it would need attention as time moves on. in for a penny in for a pound.

I think the last reason there is one of the main reasons we have been dragged on for a while with a maybe, and now its more of a hard no. At one point it was considered, but now the long term investment of resources is just not something they want to considering investing in, because it would start to limit their ability to put out content.

Think about it, since the JG has been introduced, how many times have you redone events just for something to play?

from a business sense (not $$) it makes sense, its a large (and continuing) investment for a lower/unknown gain.

This is disingenuous and misleading of you. You cannot say " how many times have you redone the events just for something to play" when we aren't asking for that.
We want a mode where we can practise. A so called sandbox mode. Now in the journey guide those events each have set requirements and teams you have to use in them. So it is not comparable. An interguild or personal practice or "sandbox" arena would allow you to test infinite variables.
Obviously this is about profit. Nothing else. So don't try and dress it up as
" Think about it, since the JG has been introduced, how many times have you redone events just for something to play?"
It wouldn't cost a lot for them to do. And you mentioned that it would take away resources from other areas of the game.
Which ones exactly?
The exact same last 3 tiers of the Galactic legends events? The duel phase. Lol. The things that took 6 months to do. Or perhaps its all the artwork and packs.
Pleeeeease.

"mickyluv;c-2096775" wrote:
Yeah, I just can't imagine the expense and time it would take to allow a player to set 5 of their characters on defence, and choose another 5 of their characters to attack that defence. You know, test out some teams.

Billions most likely.

Sandbox does not generate profits.
You would save all the crystals you would spend in the arena by asking a friend to switch teams for testing.
That simple.

I haven't played anything in JG since it was introduced, but I wouldn't consider it a sandbox mode either. I have saved GW runs to play new characters at 1x and see how the look/work but even then the matchups aren't representative of the competitive game modes.

I couldn’t care less about sandbox mode, and don’t see why they would devote any resources to it. For what? So people can play around? Who cares. I’m more concerned with the raid we all thought was coming soon...not coming at all apparently? Just some mystery new mode? Wha?

"Kyno;c-2096849" wrote:
They have explained where they are coming from with the "data", and they have other places where they monitor and talk with players.

agree or dont, they have some information about the situation. There are also other points that can be made:
- if a player has something going on IRL, anything not rewards based would probably be the first thing they dont play.
- not everyone will use it. plain and simple, a mode like this will without a doubt have the lowest % of interaction compared to modes that give rewards.
- unfortunately there is no "simple compromise", once it is in game people are going to ask for upgrades and QOL, its a game feature and it would need attention as time moves on. in for a penny in for a pound.

I think the last reason there is one of the main reasons we have been dragged on for a while with a maybe, and now its more of a hard no. At one point it was considered, but now the long term investment of resources is just not something they want to considering investing in, because it would start to limit their ability to put out content.

Think about it, since the JG has been introduced, how many times have you redone events just for something to play?

from a business sense (not $$) it makes sense, its a large (and continuing) investment for a lower/unknown gain.

some fair points.
I stopped reading at "...it would start to limit their ability to put out content"

"Gifafi;c-2096861" wrote:
I couldn’t care less about sandbox mode, and don’t see why they would devote any resources to it. For what? So people can play around? Who cares. I’m more concerned with the raid we all thought was coming soon...not coming at all apparently? Just some mystery new mode? Wha?

I am also much more concerned about that q&a discrepancy...

"PhatPat84;c-2096855" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2096849" wrote:
They have explained where they are coming from with the "data", and they have other places where they monitor and talk with players.

agree or dont, they have some information about the situation. There are also other points that can be made:
- if a player has something going on IRL, anything not rewards based would probably be the first thing they dont play.
- not everyone will use it. plain and simple, a mode like this will without a doubt have the lowest % of interaction compared to modes that give rewards.
- unfortunately there is no "simple compromise", once it is in game people are going to ask for upgrades and QOL, its a game feature and it would need attention as time moves on. in for a penny in for a pound.

I think the last reason there is one of the main reasons we have been dragged on for a while with a maybe, and now its more of a hard no. At one point it was considered, but now the long term investment of resources is just not something they want to considering investing in, because it would start to limit their ability to put out content.

Think about it, since the JG has been introduced, how many times have you redone events just for something to play?

from a business sense (not $$) it makes sense, its a large (and continuing) investment for a lower/unknown gain.

This is disingenuous and misleading of you. You cannot say " how many times have you redone the events just for something to play" when we aren't asking for that.

how is this misleading or disingenuous?
how do you suggest they gauge interaction on a game mode that doesnt exist? just like any business out there my guess is that they extrapolate from existing information. i.e. - modes that have unlimited play and no rewards. No one, literally no one is saying it is a 1 for 1, but your reaction proves a point I was making:

- in for a penny in for a pound - what one players wants is not what another wants. a purely open fighting pit is a very complicated thing and once its a thing players will want it to be more than it is. no simple solution means that they need to be planning it for some "final evolution", and as they have said that is a huge investment and a UI/UX nightmare. that kind of investment will demand a lot of resources.

"PhatPat84;c-2096855" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2096849" wrote:
They have explained where they are coming from with the "data", and they have other places where they monitor and talk with players.

agree or dont, they have some information about the situation. There are also other points that can be made:
- if a player has something going on IRL, anything not rewards based would probably be the first thing they dont play.
- not everyone will use it. plain and simple, a mode like this will without a doubt have the lowest % of interaction compared to modes that give rewards.
- unfortunately there is no "simple compromise", once it is in game people are going to ask for upgrades and QOL, its a game feature and it would need attention as time moves on. in for a penny in for a pound.

I think the last reason there is one of the main reasons we have been dragged on for a while with a maybe, and now its more of a hard no. At one point it was considered, but now the long term investment of resources is just not something they want to considering investing in, because it would start to limit their ability to put out content.

Think about it, since the JG has been introduced, how many times have you redone events just for something to play?

from a business sense (not $$) it makes sense, its a large (and continuing) investment for a lower/unknown gain.

Obviously this is about profit. Nothing else. So don't try and dress it up as

its obviously about a lot more than that, dont try to make it any less complicated than it actually is. literally nothing in business is that simple.

"PhatPat84;c-2096855" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2096849" wrote:
They have explained where they are coming from with the "data", and they have other places where they monitor and talk with players.

agree or dont, they have some information about the situation. There are also other points that can be made:
- if a player has something going on IRL, anything not rewards based would probably be the first thing they dont play.
- not everyone will use it. plain and simple, a mode like this will without a doubt have the lowest % of interaction compared to modes that give rewards.
- unfortunately there is no "simple compromise", once it is in game people are going to ask for upgrades and QOL, its a game feature and it would need attention as time moves on. in for a penny in for a pound.

I think the last reason there is one of the main reasons we have been dragged on for a while with a maybe, and now its more of a hard no. At one point it was considered, but now the long term investment of resources is just not something they want to considering investing in, because it would start to limit their ability to put out content.

Think about it, since the JG has been introduced, how many times have you redone events just for something to play?

from a business sense (not $$) it makes sense, its a large (and continuing) investment for a lower/unknown gain.

It wouldn't cost a lot for them to do. And you mentioned that it would take away resources from other areas of the game.
Which ones exactly?

the way they have described it, they have 2 teams working on "new stuff" (this includes reworks and faction passes, event changes and such so not all "new")

these teams work in parallel and when one is releasing the other is working on the next thing and there seems to be a cycle. this would mean that some portion of those teams or maybe even one team would need to be committed to this, which would slow output on everything, its not just one thing that could suffer.

"Kyno;c-2096871" wrote:

"PhatPat84;c-2096855" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2096849" wrote:
They have explained where they are coming from with the "data", and they have other places where they monitor and talk with players.

agree or dont, they have some information about the situation. There are also other points that can be made:
- if a player has something going on IRL, anything not rewards based would probably be the first thing they dont play.
- not everyone will use it. plain and simple, a mode like this will without a doubt have the lowest % of interaction compared to modes that give rewards.
- unfortunately there is no "simple compromise", once it is in game people are going to ask for upgrades and QOL, its a game feature and it would need attention as time moves on. in for a penny in for a pound.

I think the last reason there is one of the main reasons we have been dragged on for a while with a maybe, and now its more of a hard no. At one point it was considered, but now the long term investment of resources is just not something they want to considering investing in, because it would start to limit their ability to put out content.

Think about it, since the JG has been introduced, how many times have you redone events just for something to play?

from a business sense (not $$) it makes sense, its a large (and continuing) investment for a lower/unknown gain.

This is disingenuous and misleading of you. You cannot say " how many times have you redone the events just for something to play" when we aren't asking for that.

how is this misleading or disingenuous?
how do you suggest they gauge interaction on a game mode that doesnt exist? just like any business out there my guess is that they extrapolate from existing information. i.e. - modes that have unlimited play and no rewards. No one, literally no one is saying it is a 1 for 1, but your reaction proves a point I was making:

- in for a penny in for a pound - what one players wants is not what another wants. a purely open fighting pit is a very complicated thing and once its a thing players will want it to be more than it is. no simple solution means that they need to be planning it for some "final evolution", and as they have said that is a huge investment and a UI/UX nightmare. that kind of investment will demand a lot of resources.

"PhatPat84;c-2096855" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2096849" wrote:
They have explained where they are coming from with the "data", and they have other places where they monitor and talk with players.

agree or dont, they have some information about the situation. There are also other points that can be made:
- if a player has something going on IRL, anything not rewards based would probably be the first thing they dont play.
- not everyone will use it. plain and simple, a mode like this will without a doubt have the lowest % of interaction compared to modes that give rewards.
- unfortunately there is no "simple compromise", once it is in game people are going to ask for upgrades and QOL, its a game feature and it would need attention as time moves on. in for a penny in for a pound.

I think the last reason there is one of the main reasons we have been dragged on for a while with a maybe, and now its more of a hard no. At one point it was considered, but now the long term investment of resources is just not something they want to considering investing in, because it would start to limit their ability to put out content.

Think about it, since the JG has been introduced, how many times have you redone events just for something to play?

from a business sense (not $$) it makes sense, its a large (and continuing) investment for a lower/unknown gain.

Obviously this is about profit. Nothing else. So don't try and dress it up as

its obviously about a lot more than that, dont try to make it any less complicated than it actually is. literally nothing in business is that simple.

"PhatPat84;c-2096855" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2096849" wrote:
They have explained where they are coming from with the "data", and they have other places where they monitor and talk with players.

agree or dont, they have some information about the situation. There are also other points that can be made:
- if a player has something going on IRL, anything not rewards based would probably be the first thing they dont play.
- not everyone will use it. plain and simple, a mode like this will without a doubt have the lowest % of interaction compared to modes that give rewards.
- unfortunately there is no "simple compromise", once it is in game people are going to ask for upgrades and QOL, its a game feature and it would need attention as time moves on. in for a penny in for a pound.

I think the last reason there is one of the main reasons we have been dragged on for a while with a maybe, and now its more of a hard no. At one point it was considered, but now the long term investment of resources is just not something they want to considering investing in, because it would start to limit their ability to put out content.

Think about it, since the JG has been introduced, how many times have you redone events just for something to play?

from a business sense (not $$) it makes sense, its a large (and continuing) investment for a lower/unknown gain.

It wouldn't cost a lot for them to do. And you mentioned that it would take away resources from other areas of the game.
Which ones exactly?

the way they have described it, they have 2 teams working on "new stuff" (this includes reworks and faction passes, event changes and such so not all "new")

these teams work in parallel and when one is releasing the other is working on the next thing and there seems to be a cycle. this would mean that some portion of those teams or maybe even one team would need to be committed to this, which would slow output on everything, its not just one thing that could suffer.

Two Dev teams working on new stuff... That's interesting. I didn't know they'd given that much insight into their development practices. Do you have any more details or can you link to where they were talking about this?

they have 2 teams working on "new stuff" (this includes reworks and faction passes, event changes and such so not all "new")

these teams work in parallel and when one is releasing the other is working on the next thing and there seems to be a cycle. this would mean that some portion of those teams or maybe even one team would need to be committed to this, which would slow output on everything, its not just one thing that could suffer."

Lol so 2 teams working on new stuff,but not all of the stuff they are working on is new?
In one of the other QnAs they said they were working on new content. And they don't consider assault battle challenge tiers new content before you throw that one out.
So where is it. What are they working on?
We have bugs in the game which are well known, reported continuously and still not resolved.
They backtrack on everything they say.
Extra challenge tiers will be something they'll definitely be looking to do but only once assault battle tiers are done. Assault battle tiers get done.
Oh what extra challenge tiers. sorry yeah we decided not to do that now.
They speak in lawyer speak continuously.
Don't improve the game,ie bugs.
And consistently fail to deliver anything "new" like they promised they would

It’s frustrating that the justification for not putting resources into a sandbox mode is that their “data” indicates player participation in previous modes doesn’t justify it, that only the most hardcore of players would utilize the mode, or that their primary focus for content development is to produce something with which the entire player base can engage.

Yet the past two substantial updates introduced content (LS GeoTB and Galactic Legends) only accessible to the tip or the spear or those who willing to spend a small fortune.

Their argument doesn’t seem to match their actions. It’s like getting told that kyrotech will help the gear crunch by diversifying gear requirements....