Radio silence

"cosmicturtle333;189473" wrote:

In reality we have no right to tell Jesse what to do. We pay EA and EA pays Jesse. We have absolutely no right to say that we pay Jesse's salary.

+1

"cosmicturtle333;189473" wrote:

People say "I pay your wages so I get to tell you what to do."

People say this to cops when they aren't getting their way. They say it to people in retail when they aren't getting their way.

In reality we have no right to tell Jesse what to do. We pay EA and EA pays Jesse. We have absolutely no right to say that we pay Jesse's salary.

+1

"cosmicturtle333;189473" wrote:

"Barrok;189454" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189445" wrote:

"Slayvoff;189440" wrote:
well i just wonder what EA_Jesse does all day at work. his role is community manager or something? Well the community for this game is on this forum and reddit and twitter. I'd really like to shadow him for a day to see what keeps him so busy from communicating with us who provide for his salary. Th

Please don't ever say this to anyone again. It's incredibly offensive.

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"murton09;189466" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189445" wrote:

"Slayvoff;189440" wrote:
well i just wonder what EA_Jesse does all day at work. his role is community manager or something? Well the community for this game is on this forum and reddit and twitter. I'd really like to shadow him for a day to see what keeps him so busy from communicating with us who provide for his salary. Th

Please don't ever say this to anyone again. It's incredibly offensive.

Perhaps you'd prefer a business buiLtd without customers? Because all customers provide for all positions salaries...

People say "I pay your wages so I get to tell you what to do."

People say this to cops when they aren't getting their way. They say it to people in retail when they aren't getting their way.

In reality we have no right to tell Jesse what to do. We pay EA and EA pays Jesse. We have absolutely no right to say that we pay Jesse's salary.

Cont. I've had this said to me so I know how offensive it is first hand.

We have the right to complain. We have the right to whinge and moan and boycott EA and picket outside their offices. But we don't have the right to say what he should or should not do. We aren't his boss and we definitely don't pay his salary.

"cosmicturtle333;189473" wrote:

"Barrok;189454" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189445" wrote:

"Slayvoff;189440" wrote:
well i just wonder what EA_Jesse does all day at work. his role is community manager or something? Well the community for this game is on this forum and reddit and twitter. I'd really like to shadow him for a day to see what keeps him so busy from communicating with us who provide for his salary. Th

Please don't ever say this to anyone again. It's incredibly offensive.

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"murton09;189466" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189445" wrote:

"Slayvoff;189440" wrote:
well i just wonder what EA_Jesse does all day at work. his role is community manager or something? Well the community for this game is on this forum and reddit and twitter. I'd really like to shadow him for a day to see what keeps him so busy from communicating with us who provide for his salary. Th

Please don't ever say this to anyone again. It's incredibly offensive.

Perhaps you'd prefer a business buiLtd without customers? Because all customers provide for all positions salaries...

People say "I pay your wages so I get to tell you what to do."

People say this to cops when they aren't getting their way. They say it to people in retail when they aren't getting their way.

In reality we have no right to tell Jesse what to do. We pay EA and EA pays Jesse. We have absolutely no right to say that we pay Jesse's salary.

I like how u put that

"cosmicturtle333;189489" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189473" wrote:

"Barrok;189454" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189445" wrote:

"Slayvoff;189440" wrote:
well i just wonder what EA_Jesse does all day at work. his role is community manager or something? Well the community for this game is on this forum and reddit and twitter. I'd really like to shadow him for a day to see what keeps him so busy from communicating with us who provide for his salary. Th

Please don't ever say this to anyone again. It's incredibly offensive.

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"murton09;189466" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189445" wrote:

"Slayvoff;189440" wrote:
well i just wonder what EA_Jesse does all day at work. his role is community manager or something? Well the community for this game is on this forum and reddit and twitter. I'd really like to shadow him for a day to see what keeps him so busy from communicating with us who provide for his salary. Th

Please don't ever say this to anyone again. It's incredibly offensive.

Perhaps you'd prefer a business buiLtd without customers? Because all customers provide for all positions salaries...

People say "I pay your wages so I get to tell you what to do."

People say this to cops when they aren't getting their way. They say it to people in retail when they aren't getting their way.

In reality we have no right to tell Jesse what to do. We pay EA and EA pays Jesse. We have absolutely no right to say that we pay Jesse's salary.

Cont. I've had this said to me so I know how offensive it is first hand.

We have the right to complain. We have the right to whinge and moan and boycott EA and picket outside their offices. But we don't have the right to say what he should or should not do. We aren't his boss and we definitely don't pay his salary.

did i say we pay his salary? no. i said we provide for his salary. because we dont spend money on the game, EA cuts its funding, and theyre all out of a job. and as someone in a service industry i can tell you i would never go radio silent on a client. and for all intensive purposes everyone who plays the game and pays for shit in the game is a client of EACG.

"Barrok;189496" wrote:


As far as the topic of we pay his salary. I don't think thats as offensive as you make it has been made out to be. It's 100% correct that what we pay doesn't give us control over Jesse or anyone for that matter. But, when you buy something you feel like an investor (even though we really aren't). A true investor definitely has the power to demand change. So, while we aren't that, to a lesser extent it feels that way and that is why people make those comments.

What it feels like and what it actually is are two very different things. If you've had it happen to you you would understand how offensive it is.

"Barrok;189496" wrote:

I work in QA as well and I can tell you that I would never want my devs talking to anyone. First, many of them are terrible communicators. Second, they usually speak in dev talk which the clients would never understand. Third, they LOVE LOVE LOVE to instantly fix things without the proper steps.

That's fine and I have no problem with it if they have made that decision.
If Jesse and John were posting regularly, as they were at the start, there would be no problem, and nobody would miss the lack of input from other developers.
But the fact that they are not writing much if anything is noticeable. The fact that devs DO post on Reddit and not here, well, that understandably rubs salt in the wounds (metaphorically speaking).

"Barrok;189496" wrote:

They are choosing, for some unknown reason, not to tell us anything. I am sure that isn't Jesse's decision, but again, his job is to communicate with us.

That's right, it isn't his decision. And if he's been told not to communicate with us, or not provided much in the way of information to communicate, I'm not going to blame him for the lack of communication any more than I blame my waiter when my steak shows up undercooked.
He's just trying to do his job. He doesn't make the decisions.

"Barrok;189496" wrote:

As far as the topic of we pay his salary. I don't think thats as offensive as you make it has been made out to be.

You have me mixed up with @cosmicturtle333 here. I never said anything about salaries. (Though I generally agree with him that the "we pay your salary" stuff is nonsense.)

"Barrok;189496" wrote:

"Qeltar;189453" wrote:

"Barrok;189427" wrote:

You are all sorts of backwards. John has clearly stated it is not the devs responsibility to post on the forums, no matter how much the great qeltar thinks it should be. Jesse's job is to post. He isn't thus it falls on him.

Sorry, but I don't think you are understanding what I am saying, which is why you think I am "all sorts of backwards".
Jesse's job is to convey to us information. But he cannot do that if he is either not provided that information, or is not given authorization to do so.
The person responsible for the current lack of updates, lack of communication, and other issues is John Salera, because he's the executive producer and runs this show. Jesse does not.
This thread is directed at the development team in general, and at him in particular.
And yes, there are many games where the developers do participate. One used to post here, until he was apparently gagged.

I work in QA as well and I can tell you that I would never want my devs talking to anyone. First, many of them are terrible communicators. Second, they usually speak in dev talk which the clients would never understand. Third, they LOVE LOVE LOVE to instantly fix things without the proper steps.

I could be wrong, but I am guessing EA_Jesse works at the same office as the devs. I bet he tests the software, I bet he can walk around and see what is going on. He is not in the dark, he absolutely knows what is going on. He might not know everything (evidently the devs make changes and don't communicate). Heck, I think it was John that I had to teach that GW was not random so not even the people at the top know everything. But to believe he has nothing he could share would be 100% wrong.

They are choosing, for some unknown reason, not to tell us anything. I am sure that isn't Jesse's decision, but again, his job is to communicate with us.

As far as the topic of we pay his salary. I don't think thats as offensive as you make it has been made out to be. It's 100% correct that what we pay doesn't give us control over Jesse or anyone for that matter. But, when you buy something you feel like an investor (even though we really aren't). A true investor definitely has the power to demand change. So, while we aren't that, to a lesser extent it feels that way and that is why people make those comments.

They do communicate... Just not to ur quantity/ frequency. Dont talk in absolutes

"Slayvoff;189503" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189489" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189473" wrote:

"Barrok;189454" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189445" wrote:

"Slayvoff;189440" wrote:
well i just wonder what EA_Jesse does all day at work. his role is community manager or something? Well the community for this game is on this forum and reddit and twitter. I'd really like to shadow him for a day to see what keeps him so busy from communicating with us who provide for his salary. Th

Please don't ever say this to anyone again. It's incredibly offensive.

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"murton09;189466" wrote:

"cosmicturtle333;189445" wrote:

"Slayvoff;189440" wrote:
well i just wonder what EA_Jesse does all day at work. his role is community manager or something? Well the community for this game is on this forum and reddit and twitter. I'd really like to shadow him for a day to see what keeps him so busy from communicating with us who provide for his salary. Th

Please don't ever say this to anyone again. It's incredibly offensive.

Perhaps you'd prefer a business buiLtd without customers? Because all customers provide for all positions salaries...

People say "I pay your wages so I get to tell you what to do."

People say this to cops when they aren't getting their way. They say it to people in retail when they aren't getting their way.

In reality we have no right to tell Jesse what to do. We pay EA and EA pays Jesse. We have absolutely no right to say that we pay Jesse's salary.

Cont. I've had this said to me so I know how offensive it is first hand.

We have the right to complain. We have the right to whinge and moan and boycott EA and picket outside their offices. But we don't have the right to say what he should or should not do. We aren't his boss and we definitely don't pay his salary.

did i say we pay his salary? no. i said we provide for his salary. because we dont spend money on the game, EA cuts its funding, and theyre all out of a job. and as someone in a service industry i can tell you i would never go radio silent on a client. and for all intensive purposes everyone who plays the game and pays for shit in the game is a client of EACG.

Have a bit more class

"Barrok;189517" wrote:

"J0K3R;189509" wrote:

"Barrok;189496" wrote:

"Qeltar;189453" wrote:

"Barrok;189427" wrote:

You are all sorts of backwards. John has clearly stated it is not the devs responsibility to post on the forums, no matter how much the great qeltar thinks it should be. Jesse's job is to post. He isn't thus it falls on him.

Sorry, but I don't think you are understanding what I am saying, which is why you think I am "all sorts of backwards".
Jesse's job is to convey to us information. But he cannot do that if he is either not provided that information, or is not given authorization to do so.
The person responsible for the current lack of updates, lack of communication, and other issues is John Salera, because he's the executive producer and runs this show. Jesse does not.
This thread is directed at the development team in general, and at him in particular.
And yes, there are many games where the developers do participate. One used to post here, until he was apparently gagged.

I work in QA as well and I can tell you that I would never want my devs talking to anyone. First, many of them are terrible communicators. Second, they usually speak in dev talk which the clients would never understand. Third, they LOVE LOVE LOVE to instantly fix things without the proper steps.

I could be wrong, but I am guessing EA_Jesse works at the same office as the devs. I bet he tests the software, I bet he can walk around and see what is going on. He is not in the dark, he absolutely knows what is going on. He might not know everything (evidently the devs make changes and don't communicate). Heck, I think it was John that I had to teach that GW was not random so not even the people at the top know everything. But to believe he has nothing he could share would be 100% wrong.

They are choosing, for some unknown reason, not to tell us anything. I am sure that isn't Jesse's decision, but again, his job is to communicate with us.

As far as the topic of we pay his salary. I don't think thats as offensive as you make it has been made out to be. It's 100% correct that what we pay doesn't give us control over Jesse or anyone for that matter. But, when you buy something you feel like an investor (even though we really aren't). A true investor definitely has the power to demand change. So, while we aren't that, to a lesser extent it feels that way and that is why people make those comments.

They do communicate... Just not to ur quantity/ frequency. Dont talk in absolutes

And that is absolutely why this thread exists. Bingo, you hit the nail on the head! Good job!

Dont be condesending... Read what i was replying to. He said they dont communicate anything