Sandbox mode

"Omeah;d-210756" wrote:
The fact that they still think that players wouldn’t want a game mode without rewards where they can just simply use their roster, just shows a severe disconnection with their playerbase and honestly it’s frightening

Or it shows that they have data that a low (and possibly very vocal) percent of the player base interacts with challenging low reward parts of the game now.

That's not exactly what they said, they said they felt like it would be too niche, and only played by a smaller segment of the community.

Q: This obviously comes up in every Q&A, but has the team seriously considered adding some kind of Sandbox mode that would allow us to use our full roster?
A: TopHat - We've talked about it before a number of times and given answers to it. Our disposition is still the same - in our experience running this game we have yet to see anything that would indicate to us that a mode that does not yield rewards would be played with by more than a handful of players. In general, players do things that net progress in the game - thing that don't yield progress in they don't engage with. We've talked about creating an experiment to test this further, but it takes away from building bigger things.

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I will say I think this does contradict prior reasoning stated as they had concerns about play time with a mode like that.
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There is some compromise if they can make GW into something more playable.... but we will have to wait and see on that one.

"jhbuchholz;c-1929582" wrote:

"Omeah;d-210756" wrote:
The fact that they still think that players wouldn’t want a game mode without rewards where they can just simply use their roster, just shows a severe disconnection with their playerbase and honestly it’s frightening

Or it shows that they have data that a low (and possibly very vocal) percent of the player base interacts with challenging low reward parts of the game now.

But I don’t see how this is relevant. When we say “no reward” we are talking about currency reward of some sort. There is a huge reward of learning how to play with/against specific teams in an arena/ga/tw environment.

They say this:

"Kyno;c-1929584" wrote:
That's not exactly what they said, they said they felt like it would be too niche, and only played by a smaller segment of the community.

Q: This obviously comes up in every Q&A, but has the team seriously considered adding some kind of Sandbox mode that would allow us to use our full roster?
A: TopHat - We've talked about it before a number of times and given answers to it. Our disposition is still the same - in our experience running this game we have yet to see anything that would indicate to us that a mode that does not yield rewards would be played with by more than a handful of players. In general, players do things that net progress in the game - thing that don't yield progress in they don't engage with. We've talked about creating an experiment to test this further, but it takes away from building bigger things.

Then say this:

Q: There have been a lot of players asking for new content such as new raids, a sandbox mode, other kinds of gameplay and that doesn't seem to be reflected in the last Road Ahead.

There’s is not enough interest, you say, but A LOT of players have been asking for it, so which is it? Seems like the interest is there.

They have no connection with their player base. Every person that is at end game would play the hell out of this mode to try new teams, mod sets, attack strategy... it would actually bring in more money in the form of mods, gear, etc.

I know I would play it non-stop all day. Right now, outside of 15-20 minutes to do my daily stuff there is nothing left to do in the game.

I’d like to point out that there is nothing (that I can think of) currently in game that has “no reward” from which to gather their data.

I agree with their being out of touch, I would love a non-reward game mode of that nature. It’s like popping in a fighting game and just playing for “no reason” beyond it being fun. I’d like to just have fun with this game every once in a while.

@CG_SBCrumb

"Omeah;d-210756" wrote:
The fact that they still think that players wouldn’t want a game mode without rewards where they can just simply use their roster, just shows a severe disconnection with their playerbase and honestly it’s frightening

I don't think they have a disconnect at all. 100 loud people on the forums is a very small subset of their players. Most players don't want to do anything unless they are getting showered with rewards and look at all the constant complaining that raid rewards aren't enough, GAC rewards aren't enough, TB rewards aren't enough, etc.

I personally would love a sandbox mode

"Nihion;c-1929726" wrote:

"zeekdog;c-1929715" wrote:

"Nihion;c-1929705" wrote:

"zeekdog;c-1929697" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1929677" wrote:

"EclecticsScott;c-1929665" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1929629" wrote:

"Iy4oy4s;c-1929620" wrote:
They say this:

"Kyno;c-1929584" wrote:
That's not exactly what they said, they said they felt like it would be too niche, and only played by a smaller segment of the community.

Q: This obviously comes up in every Q&A, but has the team seriously considered adding some kind of Sandbox mode that would allow us to use our full roster?
A: TopHat - We've talked about it before a number of times and given answers to it. Our disposition is still the same - in our experience running this game we have yet to see anything that would indicate to us that a mode that does not yield rewards would be played with by more than a handful of players. In general, players do things that net progress in the game - thing that don't yield progress in they don't engage with. We've talked about creating an experiment to test this further, but it takes away from building bigger things.

Then say this:

Q: There have been a lot of players asking for new content such as new raids, a sandbox mode, other kinds of gameplay and that doesn't seem to be reflected in the last Road Ahead.

There’s is not enough interest, you say, but A LOT of players have been asking for it, so which is it? Seems like the interest is there.

They also said they have the metrics and dont see the interest that is expressed by the vocal segment in the game locations that dont offer rewards.
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"eepikins;c-1929622" wrote:
They have no connection with their player base. Every person that is at end game would play the hell out of this mode to try new teams, mod sets, attack strategy... it would actually bring in more money in the form of mods, gear, etc.

I know I would play it non-stop all day. Right now, outside of 15-20 minutes to do my daily stuff there is nothing left to do in the game.

Do you have any data to back this up?

They have data and dont seem to agree.

Not defending the decision, just pointing out that it's hard to back that statement up. They are backing theirs up with data.

“They have data....they are backing theirs up with data....” I call bologna. Again, remind me of the current game mode we can play that has no rewards. That’s the only way to gather said data. This all sounds like corporate speak for “we aren’t sure we can monetize something with no rewards”. Stop repeating the “data” point without giving me something they can be basing it off. I’ll gladly recant if I’m missing a non-rewards game mode we can play.

Marquee events. They offer a number of free plays on these events after the rewards are gained.

I am also not 100% on this, I just cant recall, but weren't TBs playable after 3* at one point before they node locked at 3*.

I have also seen players say they do not even bother with the mace challenge due to the worthless rewards.

There is data out there.

Everything you said was wrong. Lol jk.
(You should use that line sometime)

Serious note:

How about a Re-VOTE on the matter? I can understand past graph and data polls on non reward events with limited player interests, BUT, in light of current Geo TB missions with increased difficulty and new squad synergies, I think there's an increase of useful viability for current players to take advantage of a "sandbox" mode.

New variables have been introduced and I personally feel like this should be considered in a current debate about the game state.

Cheers

Where would this vote be posted, and why would casual players waste their time with a debate? Most casual players most likely don’t care for this addition of this game mode.

Honestly I don’t know why anyone would vote against it. That’s why CG doesn’t want the vote. They don’t want this mode because they won’t get money in it.

My good sir! I said nothing about "Casual" players. In fact if you read between the lines, I'm inferring about top tier, (Tip of the spear) players trying to clear Geo TB missions.

I agree on the fact that most players (would) support this new implementation to the game. Argument against it was linked to "Marqee Events" and non reward play-throughs, but speaking from my perspective, I'm not interested in those specific fights lined up by CG. Hence, I don't play them multiple times. However, I am interested in fighting Geo squads and theory crafting other non meta teams.

As far as location for voting polls to take place? Well.. we've seen pop up adds or notifications before in-game, maybe use that for something useful? Im sure the devs can figure something out.

Cheers

I know you said nothing about casual players. I brought them up because the top tier does not represent anywhere near the majority of players, and CG probably doesn’t want to risk serving to the most invested players when it risks wasting casual players time. Casual players want content, not practice stations. I don’t think they’d be opposed, just bored.

I’ll remind everyone that this is not my position; simply an interpretation of why CG won’t implement this. Before I’m called a troll, lol

You make a very good point, except CG has already taken that risk of wasting "casual" player's time and rolling out optimal events catered towards higher spending players.

I think theres a big opportunity tied to a "sandbox mode" that, if done correctly, would benefit the entire player base as a whole. I'd love to see CG get a "Win" both for themselves and from this community.

THIS COULD BE IT!!!

"Kyno;c-1929677" wrote:

"EclecticsScott;c-1929665" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1929629" wrote:

"Iy4oy4s;c-1929620" wrote:
They say this:

"Kyno;c-1929584" wrote:
That's not exactly what they said, they said they felt like it would be too niche, and only played by a smaller segment of the community.

Q: This obviously comes up in every Q&A, but has the team seriously considered adding some kind of Sandbox mode that would allow us to use our full roster?
A: TopHat - We've talked about it before a number of times and given answers to it. Our disposition is still the same - in our experience running this game we have yet to see anything that would indicate to us that a mode that does not yield rewards would be played with by more than a handful of players. In general, players do things that net progress in the game - thing that don't yield progress in they don't engage with. We've talked about creating an experiment to test this further, but it takes away from building bigger things.

Then say this:

Q: There have been a lot of players asking for new content such as new raids, a sandbox mode, other kinds of gameplay and that doesn't seem to be reflected in the last Road Ahead.

There’s is not enough interest, you say, but A LOT of players have been asking for it, so which is it? Seems like the interest is there.

They also said they have the metrics and dont see the interest that is expressed by the vocal segment in the game locations that dont offer rewards.
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"eepikins;c-1929622" wrote:
They have no connection with their player base. Every person that is at end game would play the hell out of this mode to try new teams, mod sets, attack strategy... it would actually bring in more money in the form of mods, gear, etc.

I know I would play it non-stop all day. Right now, outside of 15-20 minutes to do my daily stuff there is nothing left to do in the game.

Do you have any data to back this up?

They have data and dont seem to agree.

Not defending the decision, just pointing out that it's hard to back that statement up. They are backing theirs up with data.

“They have data....they are backing theirs up with data....” I call bologna. Again, remind me of the current game mode we can play that has no rewards. That’s the only way to gather said data. This all sounds like corporate speak for “we aren’t sure we can monetize something with no rewards”. Stop repeating the “data” point without giving me something they can be basing it off. I’ll gladly recant if I’m missing a non-rewards game mode we can play.

Marquee events. They offer a number of free plays on these events after the rewards are gained.

I am also not 100% on this, I just cant recall, but weren't TBs playable after 3* at one point before they node locked at 3*.

I have also seen players say they do not even bother with the mace challenge due to the worthless rewards.

There is data out there.

The only data they could possibly have that is comparable to a desired sandbox mode from the live game is the amount of people in arena shard chats that test various teams.

However, this is not a "zero or small rewards" environment. This actually costs crystals to do. Not only that, two people have to agree to spend crystals, and be locked in at the same time, after people's payouts, risking their arena rank. Huge disincentive for testing this way.

I have zero interest in playing the mace challenge, or even gw, which can be beaten with auto basic by a garbage team. There is nothing to learn.

I have zero interest in playing an 8 wave marquee battle against random ai scoundrels that has nothing to do with pvp. There is nothing to learn.

I have HUGE interest in playing against my guild mates or allies in an arena or ga setting with no consequences. I have so many modding ideas that are impossible to test. Sure you mod it and stick it on defense and it gets 1 shot. Tells you nothing. Did they use jkr? Did they use the exact counter I was trying to prevent against? Who knows!

Tldr: give me a sandbox. Your data is inaccurate