Self preservation zeta for sith raid

"leef;c-1587100" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1586974" wrote:


Come on man, you are the ignorant one here. Why can't you just admit it instead of trying to insist that I am?

Because while you may be right about the zeta preventing the negative effects of using basics on nihilus with def down, i think zeta-ing R2 is a horrible way to try to improve your p1 score, even if it works exactly like you say it does.
Also because i find it entertaining to see you try to come up with an explanation to why R2's zeta is better than JTR's zeta is. You're clearly wrong, but you just keep going, haha.
There's also the possibility that you've found a team composition and strategy in which R2 really shines that is actually better than what's currently considered to be the best strategy. I like to think that you think you have, but i highly doubt you did. It would still be hilarious if you actually did though and i would copy it without hesitation.
And lastly because i'm wondering if you would admit it if it turns out that you were using a subpar strategy and after watching that vid you've doubled your score using a strategy in which R2's zeta hardly comes into play.

I'm not clearly wrong. I can't say for sure that my comp is better than others, but I know my strat of continuously attacking Nihilus produces much greater results than not with my comp. I run JTR trio with Trooper and Chirrut. Ever laying off of Nihilus with my comp produces worse results. I'm not trying to come up with anything. I am relaying my experience to you.

You have no reason to wonder if I would admit it if I was wrong. I always admit when I'm wrong. I admitted when I was wrong about Nihilus's basic in this thread. What have you admitted your wrongness in? I feel like this is you putting your own weaknesses on me personally since I have done so in this thread even and you have not.

@Woodroward

Under a zeta JTR lead, you should basically never be hitting Julius (my guild's name for him thanks to a discord autocorrect and my own inability to spell his name right) with a basic when you already have defense down.

RT - Spam special.
Rey - Alternate specials.
R2 - Alternate specials.
BB8 - Spam special.
JTR - Mind tricks, assist call, basic. Repeat.

The only way you should be hitting Julius with a basic on consecutive attacks is if Julius increased a cooldown on a toon, that toon has to attack with basic, and then BB8 calls that same toon to attack again before their next turn. This happens almost never, especially with all the foresight being thrown around.

CA is a nice zeta. But it's almost useless in P1 of the Sith Raid.

"TVF;c-1588776" wrote:
@Woodroward

Under a zeta JTR lead, you should basically never be hitting Julius (my guild's name for him thanks to a discord autocorrect and my own inability to spell his name right) with a basic when you already have defense down.

RT - Spam special.
Rey - Alternate specials.
R2 - Alternate specials.
BB8 - Spam special.
JTR - Mind tricks, assist call, basic. Repeat.

The only way you should be hitting Julius with a basic on consecutive attacks is if Julius increased a cooldown on a toon, that toon has to attack with basic, and then BB8 calls that same toon to attack again before their next turn. This happens almost never, especially with all the foresight being thrown around.

CA is a nice zeta. But it's almost useless in P1 of the Sith Raid.

I use Chirrut not scav rey. With all the assists and cooldown increases, and lack of cooldown decreases due to defense down, I end up hitting with defense down on a basic about 1 out of every 3 or 4 attacks. Combat Analysis is hands down the biggest damage and survivability boost for P1 of the Sith raid out of the 7 I am using.

Maybe your problem is that you're using Chirrut. Regardless, if you're hitting defense down on a basic 1 out of every 3 or 4 attacks, you are doing something wrong. The fact that CA means so much to you pretty much points to that.

What tier are you doing and how much damage?

"TVF;c-1589500" wrote:
Maybe your problem is that you're using Chirrut. Regardless, if you're hitting defense down on a basic 1 out of every 3 or 4 attacks, you are doing something wrong. The fact that CA means so much to you pretty much points to that.

What tier are you doing and how much damage?

t4 9-10mill.

I could lay off Nihilus and hit the adds to lose the defense down, but the damage goes down by about 2-3 million when I do, so I don't bother since CA takes care of it.

9-10m in P1/T4 just with that team? How is that possible? There's no way a team with Chirrut in place of Rey should be able to do 3-4m more in P1 than I was doing when we were running T4. You lose out on too many exposes and the ten up isn't worth anything to this team, especially with CA active.

"TVF;c-1589560" wrote:
9-10m in P1/T4 just with that team? How is that possible? There's no way a team with Chirrut in place of Rey should be able to do 3-4m more in P1 than I was doing when we were running T4. You lose out on too many exposes and the ten up isn't worth anything to this team, especially with CA active.

IDK, that's what I do on average when I try. I focus Nihilus the entire match. Chirrut is in there for a quick heal on whoever ends up tanking the annihilate, not for damage reasons.

To be honest I don't think Scav Rey is a good choice on this part of the raid since she speeds Nihilus up a lot. Her flurry of blows has the potential to damage Nihilus 8 times in a single attack granting him 240 speed and 40% tm.

It does hit for a lot, but 8X a normal attack? I don't think so. Which makes it a net loss.

Scav Rey is the widely accepted fifth in that spot, but maybe the accepted fifth is wrong. Or maybe it works in T4 but not Heroic. Interesting. We have a T5 launching tonight so I might try someone else in that spot. You might get some more mileage out of a healer that can do more damage like Visas (mine is only 4* so I can't use her in T5). Holdo could also be a good choice, she can heal but also create exposes, which should do more damage than either Chirrut or Visas.

FWIW I ignore the adds as well. R2 kills them with burn eventually.

Sorry @Woodroward I don't buy it. No way you can do 9m-10m on a single P1 run with Chirrut. I just used Finn in place of Rey, did 6.7m. With Rey I can do 7m to 7.5m. With Chirrut you gain absolutely nothing (I don't need a healer to survive to enrage) and you lose out on a bunch of exposes. Unless you have a video, or at least a screenshot, I don't believe you.