Sith situation is out of hand

"LastJedi;1006078" wrote:

"ImYourHuckleberry;1005896" wrote:

"LastJedi;1005837" wrote:

"ImYourHuckleberry;1005808" wrote:
Variety is a code word for "I want to win every time, no matter what team I run".

The attacker in this game has every advantage against a terrible ai, but to many it's not enough. This has allowed the entitlement mentality to flourish.

I want unbeatable teams on defense, or at least very tough teams, and so sith are a welcome. Nihilus expansion made zaul almost unbeatable, and that is a good thing. My advice, if your not running nihilus expect to lose. And lose often! This game needs more domination, not variety ("or said another way, not a guaranteed win).

There is no human advantage vs AI zaul, though. Nor any of the hard meta teams. Zaul is just by far the most numerous. Human advantage was pretty huge right after rg was released. I dont know if u guys remember. I cohld climb to top 10 from 100, easy (not necessarily during payout mind you). Learning how to game the system is always fun. I guess people dont want that. You say u rather have the best team and just sit there at the top until next meta shift and/or when the #2 guy finally gets the plus 28 speed mod to leapfrog u?

Zaul is not the reason sith dominate.

75% of top 20 on my Nov '15 Whaley shard have one thing in common. Nihilus. Whether it's Rex or zaul. Nihilus is why the top of the LB is great. Without him, zaul teams couldn't punch through the chaze/gk barrier.

And Nihilus is not op by any measurement.

Sure. Nothing is op. Some teams just cant be beat by anything but a really short list. Which is not op. Zaul sith squads are just the most easiest and common combo to be part of the new meta. That is fine with me, once i accepted that there is not a huge variety of viable squads. There are not counters galore. The people spouting this have no clue. The FO "counter" is failing scrutiny. The rex "counter" is turning out to require "a wee bit" more than rex and 4 g11 toons. Must have gk and dn at minimum, perhaps? There is a new meta, and there are no shortcuts. And defense now has no weakness. And this is not OP, and there is no reason to worry. But just understand that there are not a huge variety of viable arena squads in this meta despite what anyone says.

Sith are winning. Whether zaul lead or not, you need sith or some gk squad. Just cuz rex can make the team doesnt mean there is a lot of variety.


Personally, i prefer guaranteed wins. If u have the right toons and make the right decisions. 0% win without the right toons is fine, too. Making arena a crapshoot, even with a proper counter and 100% best decisions in battle? Count me out on that. The 10 minute cooldown timer makes this too frustrating for me. I admit it. I dont like to close my eyes, flip a coin, then wait 10 minutes to flip again. I'm gone by then, doing something that is less unfulfilling than scratching a lottery ticket one number every 10 minutes.

In the early days of the game, i found strategy was important. I could analyze a squad and oftentimes figure out a combo of toons that cohld beat it. Next battle might need a different squad to succeed. Then hopefully u got one battle left at the end to put in the best defensive squad u got. Now, that is perhaps still possible. But for the next 5 months only the whales will have access to enough toons to play more than one meta squad. Aside from swapping between Zaul and DN leadx anyway. Or changing the fifth on a rex gk squad or jedi gk squad. And even if u have all the toons, u will also need multiple sets of mods and/or have to rearrange mods to make your alt squads effective.

Just as an example, i found (easy farm) ways to beat the faster/better droid squads when i used droids. Theze swuads couldnt defend at all. But there were alt ways to beat droids without using a meta squad. And without needing superior mods.

U want your lb to "mean something?" All it means is who js the bjggest ****. On my shard people dont care about rankings. Mkst people take care to avoid screwing up other oayouts. And theh gladly rotate top spot.... when that is possible. More and more it is lucky if there is anyone who can claim top spot for a given payout, at all. All most peole care about is maxing their crystals and for arena battles to not be a total waste of time. Wben people increasingly have to sub out tbeir swuad so the next payout can get a top spot, this may be great for you. But i think r in the minority. Most people are done "competing with cash" by now and just want to gear some toons. Together with tbe rest of the shard they share their game with.

That's a lot to read. I think I follow you.

I would summarize you're position as follows. You want strategy in toon selection allowing you to beat any opponent based on mental aptitude and long term planning (Farming techniques, etc.) with enough variety to keep things interesting.

I'm not entirely against this either. So there are many things we can agree on. But to get on the nerf train? I can't disagree more. I think that's more a statement on upbringing than anything else. So let me summarize my position for you. To those who want a nerf, "get off my lawn!"

"spotremix;1005710" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;1005415" wrote:

"spotremix;1005256" wrote:
i'm guessing shards must be experiencing different things. i see @LastJedi says he/she has always seen variety.

i have never seen variety from day one i started playing. as soon i was able to get into arena it was the same boring meta team. i figured this would be true for all shards.

i think shards should be decided on your goals of the game. put the competitive whales in a shard and the ones who aren't competitive in another shard.

There is no never going to be a lot of variety because most people are just going to follow what those at the top are doing. The challenge, is having a meta that can allow variety. The wiggs meta, for all its hate wasn't actually centered around wiggs, it was centered around having a fast tank with a good dispeller and/or strong aoe attacks. If you understood that, you could have built a decent team without using wiggs at all.

There's a lot of characters that could have fit in and so it really left things wide open as to how you could build your team. The problem right now, is that things aren't nearly as wide open because the meta is not centered around skills as much as it is centered around strong zetas and characters with op abilities. People think it's more diverse now because you can build a decent first order, zQGJ, sith, or Rex team, but those teams that are competitive are all built around a very specific box and if you try to think outside that box you're in for a rude awakening.

i couldn't agree more. which is why this discussion seems so funny to me. there is always a meta that dominates arena and there will always be one.

the sith meta is no different or any more special than any other meta we have had. there are tons of players who feel the same as the OP feels about other metas. i know i was and still am so sick of seeing wiggando on every player.

it's because the majority of the players apparently are competitive. they want to be at the top at all costs so they will use whatever toons get them there. personally i prefer to play with toons i like whether they get me to the top or not. i could care less about being rank 1. that doesn't mean a thing to me. i'm not impressed with who is number 1 and i wouldn't be impressed if i were in that spot. there's way more to this game than being number 1 but thats just my opinion.

I like being competitive but doing something different at the same time. I ran Jedi with a fast scarif pathfinder when everyone else ran wiggs with a fast sthan and I occasionally broke into the top 20 (I think I could have done better with sun fac but he wasn't farmable then). I'd rather sit in the mid 30's with my Jedi team (I'm using zQGJ right now) than cash out in the top 5 everyday because I followed the zaul meta.

My big concern right now is that I think the power creep has finally gotten out of hand. If you want to be competitive but do something different, you basically have to start a five person faction team from scratch with multiple zetas. There is no more tweaking a roster to make it work better.

"ImYourHuckleberry;1006168" wrote:

"LastJedi;1006078" wrote:

"ImYourHuckleberry;1005896" wrote:

"LastJedi;1005837" wrote:

"ImYourHuckleberry;1005808" wrote:
Variety is a code word for "I want to win every time, no matter what team I run".

The attacker in this game has every advantage against a terrible ai, but to many it's not enough. This has allowed the entitlement mentality to flourish.

I want unbeatable teams on defense, or at least very tough teams, and so sith are a welcome. Nihilus expansion made zaul almost unbeatable, and that is a good thing. My advice, if your not running nihilus expect to lose. And lose often! This game needs more domination, not variety ("or said another way, not a guaranteed win).

There is no human advantage vs AI zaul, though. Nor any of the hard meta teams. Zaul is just by far the most numerous. Human advantage was pretty huge right after rg was released. I dont know if u guys remember. I cohld climb to top 10 from 100, easy (not necessarily during payout mind you). Learning how to game the system is always fun. I guess people dont want that. You say u rather have the best team and just sit there at the top until next meta shift and/or when the #2 guy finally gets the plus 28 speed mod to leapfrog u?

Zaul is not the reason sith dominate.

75% of top 20 on my Nov '15 Whaley shard have one thing in common. Nihilus. Whether it's Rex or zaul. Nihilus is why the top of the LB is great. Without him, zaul teams couldn't punch through the chaze/gk barrier.

And Nihilus is not op by any measurement.

Sure. Nothing is op. Some teams just cant be beat by anything but a really short list. Which is not op. Zaul sith squads are just the most easiest and common combo to be part of the new meta. That is fine with me, once i accepted that there is not a huge variety of viable squads. There are not counters galore. The people spouting this have no clue. The FO "counter" is failing scrutiny. The rex "counter" is turning out to require "a wee bit" more than rex and 4 g11 toons. Must have gk and dn at minimum, perhaps? There is a new meta, and there are no shortcuts. And defense now has no weakness. And this is not OP, and there is no reason to worry. But just understand that there are not a huge variety of viable arena squads in this meta despite what anyone says.

Sith are winning. Whether zaul lead or not, you need sith or some gk squad. Just cuz rex can make the team doesnt mean there is a lot of variety.


Personally, i prefer guaranteed wins. If u have the right toons and make the right decisions. 0% win without the right toons is fine, too. Making arena a crapshoot, even with a proper counter and 100% best decisions in battle? Count me out on that. The 10 minute cooldown timer makes this too frustrating for me. I admit it. I dont like to close my eyes, flip a coin, then wait 10 minutes to flip again. I'm gone by then, doing something that is less unfulfilling than scratching a lottery ticket one number every 10 minutes.

In the early days of the game, i found strategy was important. I could analyze a squad and oftentimes figure out a combo of toons that cohld beat it. Next battle might need a different squad to succeed. Then hopefully u got one battle left at the end to put in the best defensive squad u got. Now, that is perhaps still possible. But for the next 5 months only the whales will have access to enough toons to play more than one meta squad. Aside from swapping between Zaul and DN leadx anyway. Or changing the fifth on a rex gk squad or jedi gk squad. And even if u have all the toons, u will also need multiple sets of mods and/or have to rearrange mods to make your alt squads effective.

Just as an example, i found (easy farm) ways to beat the faster/better droid squads when i used droids. Theze swuads couldnt defend at all. But there were alt ways to beat droids without using a meta squad. And without needing superior mods.

U want your lb to "mean something?" All it means is who js the bjggest ****. On my shard people dont care about rankings. Mkst people take care to avoid screwing up other oayouts. And theh gladly rotate top spot.... when that is possible. More and more it is lucky if there is anyone who can claim top spot for a given payout, at all. All most peole care about is maxing their crystals and for arena battles to not be a total waste of time. Wben people increasingly have to sub out tbeir swuad so the next payout can get a top spot, this may be great for you. But i think r in the minority. Most people are done "competing with cash" by now and just want to gear some toons. Together with tbe rest of the shard they share their game with.

That's a lot to read. I think I follow you.

I would summarize you're position as follows. You want strategy in toon selection allowing you to beat any opponent based on mental aptitude and long term planning (Farming techniques, etc.) with enough variety to keep things interesting.

I'm not entirely against this either. So there are many things we can agree on. But to get on the nerf train? I can't disagree more. I think that's more a statement on upbringing than anything else. So let me summarize my position for you. To those who want a nerf, "get off my lawn!"

I dont ask for a nerf. I just like to hear the truth. There is not variety. There are a lot of small variations of the same thing. Sith or gk/rex or gk/jedi plus or minus DN. Or significantly better mods. Just cuz your zaul squad isnt 1 at payout doesnt mean there are a lot of counters.

I dont mean "your squad" as pertaining to you, personally. I just wNt these dudez using zaul squads who arent in top 3 to know, uhhh ur guys' squads do not have a lot of counters. Just by having zaul and dn and 3 other sith, u are part of the elite meta and are completely untouchable to the vast majority of your shard, period. 3 or 4 of your pathetic unviable not OP squads in a row completely blocks 99% of your shard.

There may be tons of viable counters to the swuads up tbere crushing your not OP zaul squad. But they cant be used until everyone has zaul sith swuads or gk squads of their own, cuz there are not many squads that have even the slightest chance to beat a zaul squad. On offense, let alone ones that are viable also on defense.

"LastJedi;1006194" wrote:
I dont mean "your squad" as pertaining to you, personally. I just wNt these dudez using zaul squads who arent in top 3 to know, uhhh ur guys' squads do not have a lot of counters. Just by having zaul and dn and 3 other sith, u are part of the elite meta and are completely untouchable to the vast majority of your shard, period. 3 or 4 of your pathetic unviable not OP squads in a row completely blocks 99% of your shard.

There may be tons of viable counters to the swuads up tbere crushing your not OP zaul squad. But they cant be used until everyone has zaul sith swuads or gk squads of their own, cuz there are not many squads that have even the slightest chance to beat a zaul squad. On offense, let alone ones that are viable also on defense.

If everything you find wrong is true, then I couldn't be happier.