Sith Triumvirate Raid Feedback Thread

80M gp.

Played tier 4 and 5 so far.

Have tried many combinations but typically only use a jtr team, imperial troopers, and nightsisters.

This raid was only fun the first time through. The grind has resulted in about 6m gp lost in team members moving on to more competitive guilds. Now our guild has a few just hit auto each day to try and complete it over a week or two. The prizes are so poor for the commitment that 3/4 of the guild don't even post an attack.

P2 is the only level that anyone likes. It is hard, needs guild participation but is beatable. In P1, DN isn't consistent in his use of his termination ability and therefore makes the special ability less useful. P3 is ok but the tenacity is insane. And P4 takes is about a week.

All in all this raid is a big let down and our user involvement has waned as a result. For 10 days worth of effort in p4 it should pay out better than TB. Or not need 10 days.

1) What tier or tiers did you play?

We're currently doing T4, we have completed T5 (which took almost 2 months), T3(which took about 5 days) and a T4 before which took approximately 2 weeks

2) What GP is your guilg that is attempting the raid?

We're a 50M GP guild, personally I'm 1.9 Mil GP

3) What teams you did the attempt the raid with?

P1-4: Wiggs (lead), zzCLS(L), zzR2, K2SO
zPalp(L), ZZVader, TFPilot, Maul, zTarkin
Rex(L), Clone Sarge, 5555's, Jedi C., GM Yoda
Ackbar(L), BB8, Princess Leia, Old Ben, Farm Luke
Phasma(L), Kylo, Assaj, FOTP, GAThrawn


What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
Motivators:
Seems pretty and was desired KOTOR relevant content

Demotivators:
Reward for effort and time consumption. I understand challenging, but a payoff for the effort and challenge needs to be addressed.

Ph1/4 Nihilus:

Tenacity is too high for all tier levels outside Heroic. The fact he can resist any debuff from any geared/level character is completely frustrating and not fun. Fully G12/7Star Vader can't touch him with any debuffs in a tier 4? Really? Not cool.

I understand taking escape out, even though I'm not a fan of it, but I get it. But not being able to apply any debuffs and constantly losing health as u stack positive effects is making the entire raid not fun.

Then there are the rewards. Unless you were to triple the guild tokens earned for each tier (not heroic), it isn't worth it. The effort and time, for a first place finish at Tier 4 is just mind-numbingly boring and wasteful. Even if tripled Im still not sure its enough.

1) What tier or tiers did you play?
We're finally beating Heroic as of last week after a lot of frustration. Now we can smash it in a few hours after we almost completely fell apart.

2) What GP is your guild that is attempting the raid? 134.9 mil

3) What teams you did the attempt the raid with?
All the usuals. See youtube.

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?

Motivators:
Love KOTOR! Thanks for making this. I was so happy when this was announced!
New mechanics annoyingly fun.

Demotivators:
The lower tiers are just annoying. Our guild about came to blows over people no longer wanting to do T6 everyday and I was one of them because it was taking too long to clear even with a ll g11/g12 toons.

We like others did a T5 thinking we would blow through it since we were capped in tickets but we didn't. I know similar people who keep dropping down to T3 just get some rewards before tickets are full.


Suggestions:
At lower levels T5, T4 G12 chars should be able to stomp on this raid. That way the resident 2 or 3 whales can easily finish the raid without having to scream at their guildmates to participate.

T6 should just have same mechanics as heroic but way less health and damage output. That way they aren't being cheated of practice for heroic but again you don't need to upend your whole guild because no one wants to do 5 attempts every day for poor rewards and can't clear in time.

I've already posted my responses to the questions here. Based on reading the other posts and the general disdain for P1, I have some suggestions to reduce the RNG and hopefully with it, the frustration of that phase.

Remove the 3rd attack from Nihilus in heroic.

Change Unbreakable will to be a triggered, global ability like "Stand Alone" so that once you kill the marked add, it's available to any hero (also available at the start of the battle). Once used, it's unavailable until the next marked add is killed.

Unbreakable Will lasts until the end of Nihilus's next turn. During this time, the hero with UW has speed set to zero (to balance it out and avoid exploiting TM reduction).

Nihilus ignores protection with his basic only if the target is not buffed. If buffed, he steals those buffs but does not ignore protection. Gives buffs some strategic value, especially ones that are useless to him like Health Up.

Some counters to unavoidable effects would be nice as well (like the stacking offense down in P4 - only apply offense down if not buffed or debuffed, for example). There also isn't enough crit immunity-granting heroes around to really help with solo traya at the end.

1) What tier or tiers did you play?
We do T7 heroic and have since the beginning, minus 2 t6 completions early on

2) What GP is your guild that is attempting the raid?
151 mil

3) What teams you did the attempt the raid with?
JTR in phase 1
GK/Wampa/Thrawn/Hermit Yoda/Sabine in phase 2
Hermit Yoda and whatever I feel like in phase 2 as well
Chex Mix in phase 3
Nightsisters in phase 4

4) What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
At first motivated to beat the thing. Since then, motivated to take first place fir the shards and gear. Always looking to find a way to increase my damage output while at the same time decrease my reliance on RNG
I've never been demotivated during this raid.

5) What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
I thoroughly enjoy this raid and have since the beginning. I'm the raid officer in my guild though, so I pretty much run the thing. I find that the strategy involved in getting higher scores is actually very engaging and forces you out of your normal comfort zone to some extent. This makes for a satisfying experience when you do start to see results. Theory crafting ways to up damage is always fun, and this raid offers 4 drastically different and therefore separate opportunities to use your brain to figure out the puzzle.

I know that my opinions are far from the average ones though. With us having the heroic on farm status for several weeks now, and with me personally averaging around 15 million damage per raid and already having Traya halfway to 6 stars, my opinion is obviously biased. Having seen the rewards that players receive for t6 and lower, I can understand the poor opinion many have for this raid.

For myself though, I really love it and it is currently my favorite part of the game

"CG_SBCrumb;d-169517" wrote:
What tier or tiers did you play?

Heroic on farm after doing a couple of missteps. GP is 149M now, can't remember what it was when we started beating it.

What teams you did you attempt the raid with?

The usual including DEATHCHAO (No rex version of chexmix and a MUCH better name B) )

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying? What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

This is basically the same question and after reading through all the heroic and a handful of other responses here, I have a slightly different perspective.
This raid is, as most have said, not fun. It's VERY RNG dependent in all phases, especially phase 3. First couple of attempts was all about finding what worked (relatively speaking) best and trying to improve scores enough to finish the raid. Now, I could care less about my score, I'm not motivated to continue to re-roll and try and be acheive top 10 scores with my runs. That is not fun, and not worth my time. I straight up auto teams in part 4 especially if I'm on Treya, because that's just a "throw the kitchen sink at them" phase. There's no strategy to it. You just throw a volume of teams at them until it's over. I see other people experimenting with other teams and more power to them, but I am not motivated to do that like I was for Pit and Haat. Too much RNG at play in this for that to be a fun endeavor. Part 1 is frustrating because of the regenerating Protection. Part 3 is just silly, there's really just 1 team that works. Part 4 is just volume of attacks.
I kind of enjoy part 2 with Sion.... there's something about that pain mechanic that's fun to play around with. I enjoy getting a full g12 piece out of the rewards. That feels valuable and honestly worth more than the Treya shards - those will come, but the gear helps now. I'd like to see more volume on the other gear pieces and naturally, no challenge gear outside of the carbs in the pool.
This raid is again, not fun. It feels like a slog. I know it was designed from the standpoint of "we don't want anyone to solo this raid ever" like Pit is and HAAT is becoming. I don't mind that it's difficult. It should be. T6 feels infinitely more punishing than Heroic which sucks, but is in keeping with how both Pit and Haat are structured. I am not motivated to do better than I already am in this raid. It just is what it is and I'll score what I score.
Now that said, I'll take this raid over TW any day of the week. TW is a painful mode entirely random and the difference in rewards from winning and losing is so negligible, I don't care if we win or lose. The rewards in the hSTR are mostly worth the group effort. But I don't think they would be worth pushing for if we were stuck at t4 or t5 at this point. They just feel like a decent reward for all the time/effort/money I've ALREADY put into the game.

Now... here's something I'd like to address that I didn't see in any other posts (apologies if I missed it):
At this point, we can only run two a week or we are locked out of rewards. I understand the thinking behind that... CG doesn't want the guilds already farming STR to start massively pulling away. BUT! You're punishing us for doing well and that's problematic for me. We're at the point where if we finish a raid on Monday, run another Wednesday, we can't run another one for the rest of the week and we waste tickets. I know, first world problems. My deal: If you're going to give us an unfun RNG dependent slog of a raid... at least let us run it as many times as we can for the rewards. That's really all I'm here for at this point with STR: The gear. So no, it's not great, but I'd like to be able to run it as often as we can build the tickets. I know, I'm odd. :p

What can you do CG?
Well, for the guilds under 100M GP, ease up on the gear crunch and gating in the early part of the game. Let newer players catch up faster.
For guilds over 100M GP, bump up the rewards currency and secondary gear numbers, keep the full piece, and let us run these raids as often as we're able. Reward us for the time/effort/money we've spent. Make it worth our time, because I don't believe you're interested in changing the mechanics of the raid that makes it un-fun.

What tier or tiers did you play?
We have done mostly 4, but have done a few fives and are in the middle of a T6.
What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
Current GP was at 117mgp
What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
JTR, Troopers, Ewoks, Rebels, other various combinations to test mechanics
What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
I was motivated because it was something new. I was quickly demotivated because of the rewards compared to time played and because about half of my guild participated albeit begrudgingly.
What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
Very similar to the previous question but I'll add that I disliked hearing that so many guilds imploded and are still be broken apart to create these HSith guilds. I liked the fact that my guild stayed intact - we only lost 1 player to HSith.

"Pseudot;c-1549936" wrote:
I know that my opinions are far from the average ones though.

That's not a problem though - CG need to hear about everyone's thoughts and experiences...not just the negative gumbys like me!

:smiley:

What tier or tiers did you play?

t5, sometimes t4 to use excess tickets

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?

110m, we are working around some specific team for raid

What teams you did you attempt the raid with?

resistence rjt team, troopers, java detonators team, zasaij, chexmix, zader

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?

I must say that at the beginning I found the boring raid, but only because it is difficult and because you have to learn how to play it, with specific teams, otherwise it is frustrating. Now I find it a good challenge but the commitment is not worth the received prizes ... after a while 'passes the desire and put team in the auto battle. Most of the guild does so unfortunately, because it is a challenging event but that is not worth the effort.

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

need a management for the mods to be able to move quickly, so we can use our best mods to play this difficoult event

What tier or tiers did you play?
Predominantly tier 5

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
106 million GP

What teams did you attempt the raid with?
Personally, I use JTR, Troopers, Phoenix, Nightsisters, Darth vader lead, etc.

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
My primary motivation is just to push my guild forward. The primary de-motivation is that the raid is just not very fun unless you have specific teams that post high scores (JTR, Nightsisters).

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
I enjoy the challenge, but I think it is too difficult to do well consistently. There is a lot of RNG involved especially in phase 1. Doing my raid battles feels like a chore now. I'd also like to add that phase 4 feels like you all couldn't think of a creative 4th phase so you just put all three other bosses together.

My suggestions to keep the raid challenging without losing the fun:

Phase 1 - Nihilus basic should reduce the CD of drain force but NOT annihilate (like the real Nihilus). This will not disproportionately hurt teams that have high uptime on buffs and reduce the occurrence of those WTF annihilates that force restarts.

Phase 1 - Change the boss ability to read "steals protection when an enemy attacks with defense down DURING THEIR TURN. Why should counter/assist teams be made so much less viable? Likewise, only apply the defense down when attacking during their turn. Do not apply defense down when Nihilus was not the primary target of the attack (Daka/Talzin multi hits, etc).

Phase 3 - put Stand Alone on a turn-based cooldown. I have had teams with high TM generation (such as JTR) die in phase three because I was so drastically outspeeding the Stand Alone timer that I could not use the ability and my entire team killed themselves by taking turns.

Phase 3/4 - When Traya uses her turn meter steal ability, don't make it increase CDs by 1. That is just so cruel. I have a clutch ability I'm about to use to heal/save a toon, but now I have to wait 2 turns to use it.

Overall - make ALL BOSSES immune to TM reduction, but remove stacking tenacity - Why did you feel the need to effectively kill the raid viability of any character or team based on debuffs that can be resisted? I have actually run a full g12 Rogue1 team under a zJyn and gotten ZERO damage on a phase 1 encounter (no debuffs would stick, and therefore no exposes).

I understand that as a company your goal is to make money, but making the teams we worked very hard on for other game elements worthless for the new raid while introducing tailor-made new chars behind a paywall just feels like a slap in the face and a tug on our wallets.