Sith Triumvirate Raid Feedback Thread

Man. You all and your lazy team abbreviations. Chex mix? Whatever that is.

I just echo what everyone else says. I've done tier 4, tier 5, and tier 6, and heroic with mercs. Heroic was the only one that had rewards worth doing the raid. It was actually fun because it was hard, but not a slog. The lower tiers are awful, very boring, take forever, and are way too dependent on RNG. I would suggest making Nhilus immune - or virtually immune - to ONLY certain debuffs in particular to exclude teams that you want to exclude, without making it virtually impossible to do anything without a "cannot be resisted" debuff. For example, make him immune to expose if you don't want resistance. Or make him immune to turn meter reduction if you don't want Zeta Vader. Don't make him virtually immune to all the debuffs. Because it renders teams like Bounty Hunters who ordinarily might be really good in p1 and p4 practically useless.

Thr tank raid is superior because there are multiple teams that will work for each phase, which encourages diversity and better farming. In this raid, there is virtually one team, and one team only, that works in each phase. That is not fun.

"GOWLIKEABOSS;c-1551905" wrote:
I just echo what everyone else says. I've done tier 4, tier 5, and tier 6, and heroic with mercs. Heroic was the only one that had rewards worth doing the raid. It was actually fun because it was hard, but not a slog. The lower tiers are awful, very boring, take forever, and are way too dependent on RNG. I would suggest making Nhilus immune - or virtually immune - to ONLY certain debuffs in particular to exclude teams that you want to exclude, without making it virtually impossible to do anything without a "cannot be resisted" debuff. For example, make him immune to expose if you don't want resistance. Or make him immune to turn meter reduction if you don't want Zeta Vader. Don't make him virtually immune to all the debuffs. Because it renders teams like Bounty Hunters who ordinarily might be really good in p1 and p4 practically useless.

Thr tank raid is superior because there are multiple teams that will work for each phase, which encourages diversity and better farming. In this raid, there is virtually one team, and one team only, that works in each phase. That is not fun.

This can't be overstated enough.

Tank raid shows that you can implement mechanics that target specific tactics such as the tank being immune to TMR. Going the tenacity route means instead of targeting a specific tactic you target all TMR and debuff toons, which is basically 90% of all good toons (hence why there are like basically 2 viable teams for fighting DN). Sure a lot of us get by using unoptimal teams (ie no JTR) but that leads to the other common problem which is that it's a mindless slog because we can't do decent damage. Just because technically toons can damage DN doesn't mean they're viable IF DN has mechanics that hard counter what makes them good.

It really seems you guys threw out the targeted phase immunities or soft counters (ie GG gaining 100% TM after X hits) with tank raid and took the route of just hard countering everything. Which is fine for heroic if that's how you want heroic to play out. But it strikes of terrible design and balance when lower tiers still require 7* toons for optimal damage even though a guild that only meets the minimum requirements literally does not have access to that toon.

As others have said if you intend tier 1-6 to take about a week of play for a guild just meeting the minimum requirements then we need rewards at minimum equal to TB rewards. That's literally they only way that kind of design won't upset players. Like why should I be motivated in this raid when I objectively know that TB which lasts about the same amount of time would give me 2-3 times more of a reward for the time investment?

I think I see a disconnect here.... game designers and game testers play games like this as their job. They make time to play it. It’s their job. They get paid to do it.

We are not in the same boat. This isn’t our job. We don’t get paid to play this. Our time commitment has to come at a sacrifice of other parts of our life.

Designers and developers work hard to make interesting new content BUT have forgotten that we simply don’t have time to dedicate to it. We either make further sacrifices or quit. Unfortunately, we are seeing more and more of the quitting.

Make new content fun but not time consuming. We will thank you. And we might even get others to come back.

While I already stated my vast criticism, could we at least get an opinion of @CG_SBCrumb or someone if they can give us any sort of reason that continuing to do the sith raid? There is literally no benefit any of us can see, so would we be better off just ignoring that it’s even there until it’s fixed?

"QJinX;c-1551821" wrote:

"Gold_Leader_KY;c-1551795" wrote:
professionals and parents play this game, the game is a short escape from those jobs. the game must be fast to play. nothing that takes a long time is ever going to go over well with a large portion of your players. "moving mods takes too long", "raid takes too long", "can't sim brainless tasks", "no time to play 10 ship/arena matches every day", how many forms of "this takes too long" have to be complained about before it stops? :( please please please please stop making things that make the game take longer.

AMEN

So today I went to play the new Mythic Assault Battle. I love that these were created. The challenge level is just great. But once again, you are creating content that just completely sucks for anyone who is busy. Don't make me play 7 rounds that are fairly easy just to reach an 8th round is twice as hard! You just wasted 10 minutes of my time. I didn't get 7/8ths of the reward, I got nothing. Rounds 1-7 weren't hard, there wasn't a ton of strategy to enjoy. So, my time was completely wasted. I am unsure if I can complete that 8th round, maybe I can if I can. So either I keep trying the 8th round at 10m a pop for the rest of the day, or I ignore it. I have to clean my garage today. So I'm ignoring it and stewing that this simple concept of "fail fast" keeps getting ignored.

"Jonsolo32;c-1551950" wrote:
I think I see a disconnect here.... game designers and game testers play games like this as their job. They make time to play it. It’s their job. They get paid to do it.

We are not in the same boat. This isn’t our job. We don’t get paid to play this. Our time commitment has to come at a sacrifice of other parts of our life.

Designers and developers work hard to make interesting new content BUT have forgotten that we simply don’t have time to dedicate to it. We either make further sacrifices or quit. Unfortunately, we are seeing more and more of the quitting.

Make new content fun but not time consuming. We will thank you. And we might even get others to come back.

"So shines a good deed, in a weary world.." Willy Wonka


Well said and I agree, 100%

I'd like to offer a few small (I think) easy to make changes that would drastically decrease the rng and make the raid more enjoyable. They won't require CG to abandon their vision, but they'll make the raid better. Here they are:

Phase 1: : Decrease the % health damage on drain force. Make it only about the cooldown for annihalate. Reason: If you time annihalate right, and still get killed on a drain force attack, it's aggravating and you restart. : Remove the randomness on who gets the "unbreakable will" buff. Make it predictable on a priority list. For example: highest health tank>highest health healer>highest health support>highest health attacker. Reason: If the buff goes on the wrong toon, you restart. Knowing where it's going would be a huge improvement.
Phase 2: This phase is fine.
Phase 3: Remove the dispel from the retribution lightsaber. Reason: If your tank puts up taunt, gets dispelled, and someone else gets isolated out the gate you restart. Removing the dispel will fix this. If you want to keep the raid hard, replace the dispel with a healing immunity. Still hard, but no longer RNG dependent.
Phase 4: Include from Phase 1 for the same reason.

These are, imo, simple changes that would preserve CG's vision for the raid, but would remove much of the randomness and RNG dependency that drives players insane and breaks guilds.

@CG_SBCrumb

@CG_SBCrumb

I would like to offer a few suggestions for the raid that would dramatically decrease the randomness and RNG without destroying CG's view of the game. These would allow the raid to stay largely as is as they are only small (I think) changes that will not require rebalancing and will dramatically improve morale among the playerbase because the raid will be less annoying and random.

Phase 1: : Decrease the percent health damage of Drain Force. Make that attack solely about debuffs on toons and the cooldown on annihilate. Timing annihalate correctly is fun and not too bad. But little is more annoying than timing annihilate correctly and getting killed by Drain Force. That causes people to quit and restart. , make the unbreakable will buff predictable on which character it attaches to. For example, highest health tank, highest health healer, highest health support, highest health attacker.

Phase 2: This phase is good. Keep it as is.

Phase 3: Remove the dispel from the lightsaber with the retribution buff. What happens is your tank will get dispelled, lose his taunt, and the wrong toon will get isolated. This causes people to quit and restart until a lightsaber does not have the retribution buff. Our tank needs to pull isolate. To keep it competitive and hard, replace the dispel with a different debuff like healing immunity.

Phase 4: Bring both changes from phase one above. The rest is fine as is.

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These are small, hopefully easy to make changes for CG, that will preserve their vision of the raid, while decreasing or removing a major cause of player frustration. The rate can and should be hard, but only as long as it is predictable. The unpredictability and randomness that causes repeated restarts of runs up to 10 or 20 times to get good damage are maddening. That is the main thing killing interest in the raid and it must be corrected for the raid to be successful. These changes, I think, will make a enormous improvement in the raid while still preserving the vision for it.

Lot of thoughtful answers here. I can't add anything that has not been mentioned.
CG/EA, I hope you fix this nonsense.