Sith Triumvirate Raid Feedback Thread

"KvotheQGBQG2;c-1564200" wrote:

"Mos_Gegan;c-1564156" wrote:

What tier or tiers did you play? Tier 4
What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid? 54 Mil
What teams you did you attempt the raid with? Rebels, nightsisters, empire, phoenix, clones, jawas, teddybears, resistance.. random 85 gear 10-11 toons for chits and giggles....
What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying? nothing, as a 2.5mil GP player, i just auto now, due to how much i dislike the raid as a whole.
What about the raid did you enjoy? I enjoyed the fact it was new, it ends there.
What did you dislike about the raid? the random in atks (like Nihilus 2-3 times) makes it not worth even trying to get the protection off, worth for the rewards in the end. Effort vs reward is just not there..... click auto and dont give 2 chits, when its over its over and the pain will start again.

Why are you doing T4 at 2.5mil GP? If you have the right squads ready you can easily get into a Heroic Sith Raid guild I would think.

Um, because the fact that STR is breaking guilds apart by poaching stronger players from weaker guilds has been a running problematic theme in this thread?

"KvotheQGBQG2;c-1564200" wrote:

"Mos_Gegan;c-1564156" wrote:

What tier or tiers did you play? Tier 4
What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid? 54 Mil
What teams you did you attempt the raid with? Rebels, nightsisters, empire, phoenix, clones, jawas, teddybears, resistance.. random 85 gear 10-11 toons for chits and giggles....
What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying? nothing, as a 2.5mil GP player, i just auto now, due to how much i dislike the raid as a whole.
What about the raid did you enjoy? I enjoyed the fact it was new, it ends there.
What did you dislike about the raid? the random in atks (like Nihilus 2-3 times) makes it not worth even trying to get the protection off, worth for the rewards in the end. Effort vs reward is just not there..... click auto and dont give 2 chits, when its over its over and the pain will start again.

Why are you doing T4 at 2.5mil GP? If you have the right squads ready you can easily get into a Heroic Sith Raid guild I would think.

Just because you CAN get into a heroic guild doesn't mean you have to abandon your current guild for a new one. Some people actually like the people and vibe in their guild.

"Natos;c-1564211" wrote:

"KvotheQGBQG2;c-1564200" wrote:

"Mos_Gegan;c-1564156" wrote:

What tier or tiers did you play? Tier 4
What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid? 54 Mil
What teams you did you attempt the raid with? Rebels, nightsisters, empire, phoenix, clones, jawas, teddybears, resistance.. random 85 gear 10-11 toons for chits and giggles....
What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying? nothing, as a 2.5mil GP player, i just auto now, due to how much i dislike the raid as a whole.
What about the raid did you enjoy? I enjoyed the fact it was new, it ends there.
What did you dislike about the raid? the random in atks (like Nihilus 2-3 times) makes it not worth even trying to get the protection off, worth for the rewards in the end. Effort vs reward is just not there..... click auto and dont give 2 chits, when its over its over and the pain will start again.

Why are you doing T4 at 2.5mil GP? If you have the right squads ready you can easily get into a Heroic Sith Raid guild I would think.

Um, because the fact that STR is breaking guilds apart by poaching stronger players from weaker guilds has been a running problematic theme in this thread?

"DuneFlint;c-1564226" wrote:

"KvotheQGBQG2;c-1564200" wrote:

"Mos_Gegan;c-1564156" wrote:

What tier or tiers did you play? Tier 4
What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid? 54 Mil
What teams you did you attempt the raid with? Rebels, nightsisters, empire, phoenix, clones, jawas, teddybears, resistance.. random 85 gear 10-11 toons for chits and giggles....
What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying? nothing, as a 2.5mil GP player, i just auto now, due to how much i dislike the raid as a whole.
What about the raid did you enjoy? I enjoyed the fact it was new, it ends there.
What did you dislike about the raid? the random in atks (like Nihilus 2-3 times) makes it not worth even trying to get the protection off, worth for the rewards in the end. Effort vs reward is just not there..... click auto and dont give 2 chits, when its over its over and the pain will start again.

Why are you doing T4 at 2.5mil GP? If you have the right squads ready you can easily get into a Heroic Sith Raid guild I would think.

Just because you CAN get into a heroic guild doesn't mean you have to abandon your current guild for a new one. Some people actually like the people and vibe in their guild.

That's has been something CG hasn't even considered in the last 2 raids... The sanctity of guilds.

What happened to that Friday follow up?

Oh, sorry, right, we'll get a Friday response... in August. Duh, my bad.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e4770fe6d9f6f8521ac9d09a7f9b9872/tenor.gif

And here I thought we had someone NEW on the team. LOL.

I hope this doesn't come off the wrong way. This isn't meant to be derisive or divisive or anything else negative, but rather I'm trying to help.

That is one way of looking at it. Another way would be it is getting players to up their games. I switched guilds and it was a hard decision, but a good one. My old guild is doing just fine without me; better even as my departure made others step in and step up. We still chat on discord and there are no hard feelings either way.

To each their own, but I can tell you this much; I LOVE the raid now that Heroic is on farm. It is no longer boring and a drain like it was in the lower tiers. I hated the raid when I was not doing Heroic.

So the issue, to me, isn't the raid itself so much as the approach of the players. If all you do is throw in squads and hit auto it is going to be a drag for you.

Lowering the health pool would help, but once you get to Heroic that isn't an issue anymore. Just focus on farming the right toons and the raid will become fun. But only if the other members of your guild are also farming the right toons and learning the mechanics of the squads and how to use them. If they aren't, and you are, then you need to consider moving on IMHO or you are holding yourself back.

"KvotheQGBQG2;c-1564321" wrote:
I hope this doesn't come off the wrong way. This isn't meant to be derisive or divisive or anything else negative, but rather I'm trying to help.

That is one way of looking at it. Another way would be it is getting players to up their games. I switched guilds and it was a hard decision, but a good one. My old guild is doing just fine without me; better even as my departure made others step in and step up. We still chat on discord and there are no hard feelings either way.

To each their own, but I can tell you this much; I LOVE the raid now that Heroic is on farm. It is no longer boring and a drain like it was in the lower tiers. I hated the raid when I was not doing Heroic.

So the issue, to me, isn't the raid itself so much as the approach of the players. If all you do is throw in squads and hit auto it is going to be a drag for you.

Lowering the health pool would help, but once you get to Heroic that isn't an issue anymore. Just focus on farming the right toons and the raid will become fun. But only if the other members of your guild are also farming the right toons and learning the mechanics of the squads and how to use them. If they aren't, and you are, then you need to consider moving on IMHO or you are holding yourself back.

That's all well and good, and congrats on getting into a heroic guild. However, you kind of glossed over the fact that everything below heroic is still absolute garbage. What are lower end guilds supposed to do once they loose their higher GP players? What happens to game balance as a small % of players gain access to heroic rewards while the rest get stuck with T1-6 with no progression (actually, slower progression now that all the high GP players have "stepped up their game")?

Seems like a myopic take on the situation to me.

EOW = End of Wednesday. Duh

"CoastalJames;c-1564196" wrote:

"Mos_Gegan;c-1564156" wrote:
...when its over its over and the pain will start again.

Yep :smiley:

Glad someone finds this horrific raid and how much everyone hates everything about it funny...

"Natos;c-1564333" wrote:


Here's the new boss

Not glossing over it at all. As a matter of fact, well before this thread began, I started thinking about ways to fix this problem. I do see it as a big problem. I’ve sent a lot of suggestions in for ways to address it and will continue to do so privately, even though it has zero effect on me and my own game experience.

The rewards are wack. I get that and I’m hoping they do something for non-Heroic rewards that will both help you beat the raid faster and help you work towards moving up tiers faster.

I’ve gone over pretty much every angle and issue with the raid with CG. I’m on your side here, but I also see where complacency is hurting guilds and players.

But read my comment again. I was very worried about the effects my departure from my old guild would have. They have all been positive though, and people have stepped up and filled the void. My old guild is in a better place without me, which is awesome.

It comes down to getting everyone on the same page and working towards the known raid killers. If your guild doesn’t have the same goals as you though, you have to make a hard decision to either sacrifice your own experience and stay or chase your goals and see what you can find.

I wish you good fortunes in the wars to come.

"KvotheQGBQG2;c-1564578" wrote:

But read my comment again. I was very worried about the effects my departure from my old guild would have. They have all been positive though, and people have stepped up and filled the void. My old guild is in a better place without me, which is awesome.

I appreciate that you weren't cold or indifferent about leaving your guild, and that the experience has been amicable. I'm skeptical that your previous guild is "in a better place" now however. Perhaps a more even distribution of GP now that you're gone, and less of a dynamic of you pulling rather than a collective push. However, they inevitably had to adjust (and did successfully by your account). Not all guilds will be capable of surviving losing their heavy hitters as well. Go to low enough tiers of STR, and poaching high GP players could have the potential of stopping HAAT capabilities.

"KvotheQGBQG2;c-1564578" wrote:

It comes down to getting everyone on the same page and working towards the known raid killers. If your guild doesn’t have the same goals as you though, you have to make a hard decision to either sacrifice your own experience and stay or chase your goals and see what you can find.

I agree, it comes down to everyone pulling in the same direction. However, there is a wide difference from having the personal goal of doing HSTR now and abandoning a guild just because other individual players in the guild aren't there yet, and helping your guild pull toward progression up the individual tiers of STR to eventually get to HSTR.

This is where STR is causing BIG issues. Lower tier guilds SHOULD be able to hold onto their high GP folks AND progress up the tiers in some sort of noticeable fashion. Lower tiers aren't balanced to where they SAY they are balanced, and don't provide the rewards needed to progress the teams you ACTUALLY need to beat the tiers. So, folks like you end up bailing instead of sticking it out, and no one blames you because there isn't any clear way to actually progress up other than bailing (even for the lower GP folks).

The powerful move up and get more powerful. The weak get left to endless suffering.

Very in theme with STR, but not any damn fun.