Tenacity Down vs Tenacity Up

Why not have it conditioned to an equilibrium state? If potency - tenacity = 0 then there is a 50% chance to Resist or apply the debuff (coin flip). The have both ends bounded at so there is always a 10% or 5% or whatever chance to either apply the debuff or resist it. That would seem to solve the problem of the imbalance. Then, to adjust raids, you just need to adjust the tenacity of the boss.

Run an aoe dispeller. That one simple hack will ensure that tenacity up on the other team is worthless

Or you can just keep complaining that a mechanic that's existed unchanged for well over a year with little complaints until now is bad..

The tenacity up mechanism makes mods tenacity useless. If we unlock the resistance values ​​over 100% according to my proposal we give value also to that mods, now useless. Also the potency mods acquire value for a debuff team

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1111793" wrote:
Run an aoe dispeller. That one simple hack will ensure that tenacity up on the other team is worthless

Or you can just keep complaining that a mechanic that's existed unchanged for well over a year with little complaints until now is bad..

I run DPS. Just mow them down.

But perhaps you should consider the game in general has changed over the last year plus and the original mechanic is no longer the best for the game before being dismissive about someone's idea.

"DarthBarron;c-1111777" wrote:
Why not have it conditioned to an equilibrium state? If potency - tenacity = 0 then there is a 50% chance to Resist or apply the debuff (coin flip). The have both ends bounded at so there is always a 10% or 5% or whatever chance to either apply the debuff or resist it. That would seem to solve the problem of the imbalance. Then, to adjust raids, you just need to adjust the tenacity of the boss.

@DarthBarron

I really like that one, make potency and tenacity a symmetrical thing. If you want to apply debuffs reliably, you need some additional potency. If you want to resist debuffs reliably, tenacity mods help you do it. Basic (unmodded) chars apply and/or resist debuffs with ~50% chance.

Effects such as tenacity up/down and potency up/down give a temporary boost (like offense up/down, say 1.5 times the base value) either way.

That would solve 3 things at once:
1 - base values (pot > ten almost always) mean resist check is trivial (always = 15% resist)
2 - tenacity mods are worthless, and by consequence, potency as well (in Arena)
3 - tenacity up has nothing to do with all this, it's basically debuff immunity.

"Tuftedpaper85;c-1111793" wrote:
Run an aoe dispeller. That one simple hack will ensure that tenacity up on the other team is worthless

Or you can just keep complaining that a mechanic that's existed unchanged for well over a year with little complaints until now is bad..

You are an effing genius, too bad noone ever had that idea. Wait a second, this doesn't solve the problem that Tenacity is a useless stat, neither puts an unbalanced mechanic in its place.

"capefear56;d-114550" wrote:
Why is it that tenacity up guarantees a resistance from all debuffs, but tenacity down doesn't also guarantee that debuffs won't be resisted?

I'm really tired of TFP applying tenacity down to someone like Baze, and then Emperor Palpatine's shock not applying despite also having 90% potency.

"capefear56;d-114550" wrote:
Why is it that tenacity up guarantees a resistance from all debuffs, but tenacity down doesn't also guarantee that debuffs won't be resisted?

I'm really tired of TFP applying tenacity down to someone like Baze, and then Emperor Palpatine's shock not applying despite also having 90% potency.

It's a reason of flavor:

Eating nutritious food always increases your nutrition.
Being exposed to germs DOESN'T always make you sick.


Then there's thoughts like: "Why would someone's body reject a positive benefit?"
& "Of course your body would try and resist something bad for you, even if you were unconscious".

There is a minimum resist amount because nothing will ever make your body stop fighting to be in good shape. There should not be a minimum debuff amount because it just doesn't make sense flavor wise. Besides, offense is way more overpowered than defense in this game already.


The best solution to the tenacity/potency problem is to keep the 15% minimum resist, make the starting ratio 50/50 instead of 85/15 in favor of potency, turn tenacity up to a multiplicative 50%, and leave tenacity down as it is. Then add a temporary buff and a temporary irresistible debuff (temporary = one use like foresight or expose) that guarantee a resist or debuff.

"Woodroward;c-1111893" wrote:

"capefear56;d-114550" wrote:
Why is it that tenacity up guarantees a resistance from all debuffs, but tenacity down doesn't also guarantee that debuffs won't be resisted?

I'm really tired of TFP applying tenacity down to someone like Baze, and then Emperor Palpatine's shock not applying despite also having 90% potency.

"capefear56;d-114550" wrote:
Why is it that tenacity up guarantees a resistance from all debuffs, but tenacity down doesn't also guarantee that debuffs won't be resisted?

I'm really tired of TFP applying tenacity down to someone like Baze, and then Emperor Palpatine's shock not applying despite also having 90% potency.

It's a reason of flavor:

Eating nutritious food always increases your nutrition.
Being exposed to germs DOESN'T always make you sick.


Then there's thoughts like: "Why would someone's body reject a positive benefit?"
& "Of course your body would try and resist something bad for you, even if you were unconscious".

There is a minimum resist amount because nothing will ever make your body stop fighting to be in good shape. There should not be a minimum debuff amount because it just doesn't make sense flavor wise. Besides, offense is way more overpowered than defense in this game already.


The best solution to the tenacity/potency problem is to keep the 15% minimum resist, make the starting ratio 50/50 instead of 85/15 in favor of potency, turn tenacity up to a multiplicative 50%, and leave tenacity down as it is. Then add a temporary buff and a temporary irresistible debuff (temporary = one use like foresight or expose) that guarantee a resist or debuff.

Why would anyone compare nutrition to germs? Give me a break...

"ImYourHuckleberry;c-1111898" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1111893" wrote:

"capefear56;d-114550" wrote:
Why is it that tenacity up guarantees a resistance from all debuffs, but tenacity down doesn't also guarantee that debuffs won't be resisted?

I'm really tired of TFP applying tenacity down to someone like Baze, and then Emperor Palpatine's shock not applying despite also having 90% potency.

"capefear56;d-114550" wrote:
Why is it that tenacity up guarantees a resistance from all debuffs, but tenacity down doesn't also guarantee that debuffs won't be resisted?

I'm really tired of TFP applying tenacity down to someone like Baze, and then Emperor Palpatine's shock not applying despite also having 90% potency.

It's a reason of flavor:

Eating nutritious food always increases your nutrition.
Being exposed to germs DOESN'T always make you sick.


Then there's thoughts like: "Why would someone's body reject a positive benefit?"
& "Of course your body would try and resist something bad for you, even if you were unconscious".

There is a minimum resist amount because nothing will ever make your body stop fighting to be in good shape. There should not be a minimum debuff amount because it just doesn't make sense flavor wise. Besides, offense is way more overpowered than defense in this game already.


The best solution to the tenacity/potency problem is to keep the 15% minimum resist, make the starting ratio 50/50 instead of 85/15 in favor of potency, turn tenacity up to a multiplicative 50%, and leave tenacity down as it is. Then add a temporary buff and a temporary irresistible debuff (temporary = one use like foresight or expose) that guarantee a resist or debuff.

Why would anyone compare nutrition to germs? Give me a break...

No one did that/ :tongue:
I was comparing nutrition to buffs, and germs to debuffs.

If you don't see the similarities there...

EDIT: I find it humorous how many people try and impugn my intelligence because THEY don't get what I am saying. Seems it would be more productive to ask me to clarify than to react with a scoff.

"Woodroward;c-1111900" wrote:

"ImYourHuckleberry;c-1111898" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1111893" wrote:

"capefear56;d-114550" wrote:
Why is it that tenacity up guarantees a resistance from all debuffs, but tenacity down doesn't also guarantee that debuffs won't be resisted?

I'm really tired of TFP applying tenacity down to someone like Baze, and then Emperor Palpatine's shock not applying despite also having 90% potency.

"capefear56;d-114550" wrote:
Why is it that tenacity up guarantees a resistance from all debuffs, but tenacity down doesn't also guarantee that debuffs won't be resisted?

I'm really tired of TFP applying tenacity down to someone like Baze, and then Emperor Palpatine's shock not applying despite also having 90% potency.

It's a reason of flavor:

Eating nutritious food always increases your nutrition.
Being exposed to germs DOESN'T always make you sick.


Then there's thoughts like: "Why would someone's body reject a positive benefit?"
& "Of course your body would try and resist something bad for you, even if you were unconscious".

There is a minimum resist amount because nothing will ever make your body stop fighting to be in good shape. There should not be a minimum debuff amount because it just doesn't make sense flavor wise. Besides, offense is way more overpowered than defense in this game already.


The best solution to the tenacity/potency problem is to keep the 15% minimum resist, make the starting ratio 50/50 instead of 85/15 in favor of potency, turn tenacity up to a multiplicative 50%, and leave tenacity down as it is. Then add a temporary buff and a temporary irresistible debuff (temporary = one use like foresight or expose) that guarantee a resist or debuff.

Why would anyone compare nutrition to germs? Give me a break...

"ImYourHuckleberry;c-1111898" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1111893" wrote:

"capefear56;d-114550" wrote:
Why is it that tenacity up guarantees a resistance from all debuffs, but tenacity down doesn't also guarantee that debuffs won't be resisted?

I'm really tired of TFP applying tenacity down to someone like Baze, and then Emperor Palpatine's shock not applying despite also having 90% potency.

"capefear56;d-114550" wrote:
Why is it that tenacity up guarantees a resistance from all debuffs, but tenacity down doesn't also guarantee that debuffs won't be resisted?

I'm really tired of TFP applying tenacity down to someone like Baze, and then Emperor Palpatine's shock not applying despite also having 90% potency.

It's a reason of flavor:

Eating nutritious food always increases your nutrition.
Being exposed to germs DOESN'T always make you sick.


Then there's thoughts like: "Why would someone's body reject a positive benefit?"
& "Of course your body would try and resist something bad for you, even if you were unconscious".

There is a minimum resist amount because nothing will ever make your body stop fighting to be in good shape. There should not be a minimum debuff amount because it just doesn't make sense flavor wise. Besides, offense is way more overpowered than defense in this game already.


The best solution to the tenacity/potency problem is to keep the 15% minimum resist, make the starting ratio 50/50 instead of 85/15 in favor of potency, turn tenacity up to a multiplicative 50%, and leave tenacity down as it is. Then add a temporary buff and a temporary irresistible debuff (temporary = one use like foresight or expose) that guarantee a resist or debuff.

Why would anyone compare nutrition to germs? Give me a break...

No one did that/ :tongue:
I was comparing nutrition to buffs, and germs to debuffs.

If you don't see the similarities there...

Your analogies are ridiculous.