As per the latest update to the update: Tenacity Down has been improved to reduce Tenacity by the same amount that Tenacity Up increases Tenacityhttps://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/69338/game-update-9-28-2016#latestImplications: Since tenacity down is unresistable, it can be applied over tenacity up (once rex has buffed) to have the net effect as if neither buff existed from a resist chance point of view.Dengar moving after Rex here will allow all enemies which get crit by mini mine mayhem to have both tenacity up and down at the same time. I believe, this also allows the turn meter reduction and dot to immediately take effect as per normal resist check. All other debuffs can now take effect normally with the standard resist check.

Wait, so tenacity down can't be resisted?I'm not saying I don't believe you and my Dengar is garbage so he rarely crits but his ability doesn't state that it is irresistable that I can see.

Yes it is unresistable. If you try to apply tenacity down on top of tenacity up before this update, you will see it land. The debuff icon doesn't show but you see the red text appear under the hp bars. All debuffs still bounced off then. The unresistable part was also dev confirmed somewhere.

wouldn't it just be better to hit Rex with B2?

"Aero;689874" wrote:I believe the base 15% chance to resist is still there. There is no resist check for tenacity down.

"merioonvalhoun;689876" wrote:wouldn't it just be better to hit Rex with B2?That's one way to do it. Maybe this is a future proofing change? Dispels were the only counter to tenacity up.

Tenacity Down will now nullify Tenacity Up

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GaidalCain_WOT
9 years ago
Wait, so tenacity down can't be resisted?

I'm not saying I don't believe you and my Dengar is garbage so he rarely crits but his ability doesn't state that it is irresistable that I can see.
x0797mjs3
9 years ago
Yes it is unresistable. If you try to apply tenacity down on top of tenacity up before this update, you will see it land. The debuff icon doesn't show but you see the red text appear under the hp bars. All debuffs still bounced off then.

The unresistable part was also dev confirmed somewhere.
merioonvalhoun
9 years ago
wouldn't it just be better to hit Rex with B2?
x0797mjs3
9 years ago
"Aero;689874" wrote:
I believe the base 15% chance to resist is still there.

There is no resist check for tenacity down.
x0797mjs3
9 years ago
"merioonvalhoun;689876" wrote:
wouldn't it just be better to hit Rex with B2?

That's one way to do it. Maybe this is a future proofing change? Dispels were the only counter to tenacity up.
x0797mjs3
9 years ago
"Ing256;689945" wrote:
"Josh_K;689880" wrote:
"Aero;689874" wrote:
I believe the base 15% chance to resist is still there.

There is no resist check for tenacity down.

But there is resist check after you applied tenacity down for all effects afterwards: that's what he was speaking about.
Moreover: previously tenacity down would get you minimum resistance chance (15%) so if you had tenacity up it would completely make useless both tenacity up AND any tenacity your character may have. Now it will only counter tenacity up. So this is actually a debuff to tenacity down, not a buff!
Probably they want to give some raid foe stuff like 180% tenacity and make it so tenacity down will only get their tenacity down to 80% rather than to 0%

No, previously if someone had tenacity up and down at the same time, tenacity up would win. I had tested this myself. Conduit also posted in the latest update megathread confirming the same thing.
SnakeB2
9 years ago
This is interesting because if what conduit says is true, tenacity up and down will work differently from every other buff/debuff interaction.

Have you tested the new version Josh? Not sure if it's technically live yet even if you've updated.
x0797mjs3
9 years ago
"Snake2;690076" wrote:
This is interesting because if what conduit says is true, tenacity up and down will work differently from every other buff/debuff interaction.

Have you tested the new version Josh? Not sure if it's technically live yet even if you've updated.

I haven't tested it yet. But technically they cancel each other out, just like every other buff/debuff pair (with some exceptions).
SnakeB2
9 years ago
"Josh_K;690088" wrote:
"Snake2;690076" wrote:
This is interesting because if what conduit says is true, tenacity up and down will work differently from every other buff/debuff interaction.

Have you tested the new version Josh? Not sure if it's technically live yet even if you've updated.

I haven't tested it yet. But technically they cancel each other out, just like every other buff/debuff pair (with some exceptions).

In my experience, with speed up/down, defense up/down and offense up/down, whichever was applied first takes precedence. The modifier applied second is "On the character" but waits until the first expires before actually affecting the characters stats.

If this has been confirmed by a dev to work differently than that, I haven't seen it.
Amusedam
9 years ago
Im pretty sure if something is dependent on crit chance, that it is immune to resistance but not dodge, like dengars tenacity down and aayla's stun...can someone confirm or debunk this?