2 years ago

The Leviathan Release Summary

The Leviathan Release Summary

1) Requirements

Profundity had pretty similar requirements compared to Executor and didn't even ask for a conquest unit like Exe did (RC). The requirements jump of Leviathan however is pretty steep. While Exe and Prof asked for total relics of 42 (6.14 avg relic level) for Exe and 44 (6.29 avg relic level) for Prof, Leviathan goes up to 70 (7 avg relic level) and asking for 2 relic 9's while Prof only needed 1. The Leviathan is also requiring 2 conquest units (Malgus & Fury) aswell as 2 galactic chase units (Dagger & Mk6). Most chars required for Levi are useful with pretty much only R7 Maul and HK feeling wasted.

Rating: Ok - Bad

2) Functionality

On release the fleet had numerous bugs, some of them being absolutely obvious. It is speculation as to why it was released in this state and if it was even tested at all. Regardless, this is just unacceptable and unethical (assuming they knew very well about the bugs) work practice by CG releasing something that's very clearly not WAI. As it stands, Leviathan is the most broken char/ship release to this day, even worse than the Executor release which also needed 2-3 changes to obvious flaws to finally make it a competetive fleet.

Rating: Horrible

3) Lower Star Viability

I don't have first hand experience with non 7 star Levi because I immediately upgraded it to 7 stars but the fact that the enemy hangars can't be sabotaged on lower star Levis and therefor the ult also being shut down is ridiculous. Both Exe and Profun had some very good upgrades on their high tier abilities so there was a meaningful upgrade on 7 stars while still being able to use the abilities on lower stars making them still powerful fleets even when not maxed out. Leviathan is way too crippled on lower stars and gets bullied by old fleets, even Holdo being an option.

Rating: Horrible

4) 7 Star Performance On Offense

Actually a solid performance even with all the bugs being in place but only for 2 reasons - the player can use different starting lineups depending on what fleet he faces (SASS in Levi mirror; Dorito for default starting; ITB on reinforcements vs Profun) and the player does actually use the Mk6's instakill when he calls it as 2nd reinfrcement whereas the AI will do it's best to avoid using it (might actually be a good thing for balance reasons once all the bugs are fixed). Once the bugs are fixed there's a good chance that Levi just rofl stomps everything even on auto.

Rating: Good

5) 7 Star Performance On Defense

Maxed out Levi is actually not that bad on defense even with all the bugs being there. Once they get fixed the Levi could be very scary to face with anything else than a Levi mirror, maybe Profun will still be ok - time will tell. People alrdy shouting "buff Levi!" should be very careful what they wish for.

Rating: Ok

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RagingMonkey057
2 years ago
Low star viability shouldn't even be a consideration.

I rarely see anyone complaining about the viability of a unit before it's fully upgraded, and when they do they're usually told, "It's fine when it's upgraded." If someone came to the forums complaining that JMK or SEE or any other unit isn't good without the ult, or without a zeta, or before G13 they'd be quickly shut down.

Low star viability is always the exception - never the rule.

Aside from that - less than 7* on any unit is a temporary condition, and by definition, not ideal.

I think the qualitative metrics for your ratings are maybe a little too reliant on interpretation. Maybe a numeric 1-10 scale would be more useful in this case.

I don't know that it's fair to include the 'galactic chase' ships as a strike against Leviathan as both of those ships are farmable now, just like any other ship (so another temporary condition that's already resolved itself). The requirement of two conquest units and two relic 9s does indeed price this out of the market for some players which might justify a lower rating here but I don't think the requirements can be viewed in terms of raw relic levels - I also don't think the utility of the fleet can be ignored in that conversation - which means it can't be given an accurate rating until we're all playing with the fleet that CG intended - which means post-bug-fix Leviathan.

I generally agree with your assessment of offensive and defensive performance at 7*.
Ratinira
2 years ago
"BubbaFett;c-2432855" wrote:
"Ratinira;c-2432854" wrote:
I wonder, why when talking about "less then 7* shouldn't be working" people are usually refuring to GL's... and not "GL ships"? Because, you know, there are 2 other such ships. Except Leviathan. But for some reason they are very carefully ignored and people are pointing their fingers on everything except them...
I wonder what is the reason... Hmmmm....

There is no such thing as a GL ship..... That's why

That is why I put "" there.
Call them "Legendary every month event ships with list of requirements in Tier V Journey guide" it won't change the fact that there are 3 of them in there
Ratinira
2 years ago
"StarSon;c-2432857" wrote:
"Ratinira;c-2432856" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2432855" wrote:
"Ratinira;c-2432854" wrote:
I wonder, why when talking about "less then 7* shouldn't be working" people are usually refuring to GL's... and not "GL ships"? Because, you know, there are 2 other such ships. Except Leviathan. But for some reason they are very carefully ignored and people are pointing their fingers on everything except them...
I wonder what is the reason... Hmmmm....

There is no such thing as a GL ship..... That's why

That is why I put "" there.
Call them "Legendary every month event ships with list of requirements in Tier V Journey guide" it won't change the fact that there are 3 of them in there

They are Journey Guide Advanced Fleet Mastery ships.

OK, OK, I corrected
Hope it's clearer now?
Ratinira
2 years ago
"herd_nerfer;c-2432858" wrote:
"Ratinira;c-2432854" wrote:
I wonder, why when talking about "less then 7* shouldn't be working" people are usually refuring to GL's... and not "GL ships"? Because, you know, there are 2 other such ships. Except Leviathan. But for some reason they are very carefully ignored and people are pointing their fingers on everything except them...
I wonder what is the reason... Hmmmm....

Just because one unit works well at low stars doesn't mean they all will - nor does it mean they all should.

2 units. 2 units out of 3. That is the point.
When 2 units released first are working specific way it is natural for people to expect the 3d one to work similarly.

And something tells me, that if... let's say new Leia will suddenly be the first GL with skills upgrade and ultimate locked behind r10 people won't be happy either... Even though why would anyone expect that GL should not be beaten by half of toons until it has its relic maxed?
Ratinira
2 years ago
"herd_nerfer;c-2432863" wrote:
"Ratinira;c-2432861" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2432858" wrote:
"Ratinira;c-2432854" wrote:
I wonder, why when talking about "less then 7* shouldn't be working" people are usually refuring to GL's... and not "GL ships"? Because, you know, there are 2 other such ships. Except Leviathan. But for some reason they are very carefully ignored and people are pointing their fingers on everything except them...
I wonder what is the reason... Hmmmm....

Just because one unit works well at low stars doesn't mean they all will - nor does it mean they all should.

2 units. 2 units out of 3. That is the point.
When 2 units released first are working specific way it is natural for people to expect the 3d one to work similarly.

And something tells me, that if... let's say new Leia will suddenly be the first GL with skills upgrade and ultimate locked behind r10 people won't be happy either... Even though why would anyone expect that GL should not be beaten by half of toons until it has its relic maxed?

Putting aside for a minute the fact that no one should be expecting top of the meta performance from a <7* unit...

4* Lev beats 7* Exec. This I know for sure. Also 6* (and probably lower) Lev beats 7* Prof - I also know this for sure. So what exactly do you want? What is the expectation that 'low star' Leviathan is not meeting?

Well, ask people who saying that directly. And you will get your answer why people think that.
But I have the feeling that for every person who will say that their low-star Levi can beat Profundity there will be 10 who say they were blown away at the start.
piatz1019
Seasoned Novice
2 years ago
"Legend91;d-264988" wrote:

the fact that the enemy hangars can't be sabotaged on lower star Levis and therefor the ult also being shut down is ridiculous.

4* Leviathan can still pop the ult. Using the ability "Sabotage the Hangars" is necessary for the ult. Applying the status effect "Capital Ship Sabotaged" is not necessary.
averschevet
Rising Newcomer
2 years ago
"herd_nerfer;c-2432846" wrote:
Low star viability shouldn't even be a consideration.

It should because many people will have it at low stars for months, and unlike the Executor and the Profundity which were great at lower stars, the Leviathan is really bad. Also, it has to be mentioned because the solution is brain-dead easy, just move the upgrades of the last level, to lvl 4 or 5 of the ability, that way low stars has still decent skills while not changing the power of the 7* Levi.
infidel2k
2 years ago
"Granolo;c-2432891" wrote:
"herd_nerfer;c-2432846" wrote:
Low star viability shouldn't even be a consideration.

It should because many people will have it at low stars for months, and unlike the Executor and the Profundity which were great at lower stars, the Leviathan is really bad. Also, it has to be mentioned because the solution is brain-dead easy, just move the upgrades of the last level, to lvl 4 or 5 of the ability, that way low stars has still decent skills while not changing the power of the 7* Levi.

Then what would be the incentive to spend to get it to 7*? You keep arguing to make the 4* version stronger without needing to upgrade it. People have almost every capital they unlock at low stars for months unless they spend. You don’t have to spend if you don’t want to, but then you have to wait.
infidel2k
2 years ago
"makoamagana;c-2432898" wrote:
I keep seeing people defending the point that low stars shouldn’t be viable.

Let me ask you. Why would someone invest in Levi with its step requirements when you can just go for profundity or exec and have a waaay better ship that operates at low stars? What’s the point of going for Levi if this is acceptable?

1. Pure collection purposes.
2. You already have Exec and Profundity.
3. You are closer to Leviathan than the other two.
4. You really dig the Sith.
5. Because you will eventually get it to 7*. And the bugs will be fixed.

Don’t judge it’s performance until it is WAI.
makoamagana
2 years ago
"nfidel2k;c-2432901" wrote:
"makoamagana;c-2432898" wrote:
I keep seeing people defending the point that low stars shouldn’t be viable.

Let me ask you. Why would someone invest in Levi with its step requirements when you can just go for profundity or exec and have a waaay better ship that operates at low stars? What’s the point of going for Levi if this is acceptable?

1. Pure collection purposes.
2. You already have Exec and Profundity.
3. You are closer to Leviathan than the other two.
4. You really dig the Sith.
5. Because you will eventually get it to 7*. And the bugs will be fixed.

Don’t judge it’s performance until it is WAI.

I would to not Judas it’s performance until it is WAI. There is only one problem with that…CG hasn’t actually said it’s NOT working as intended lol. They have only stated there is some issues and no anticipated date of correction.