I'm sure by now everyone is well aware of the fact that speed is king when it comes to modding. The Darth Revan/Malak meta really shows this more than anything, it's become an endless struggle to get 1 more speed than the enemy teams Bastila Shan Fallen or make your BSF 1 speed faster than a GMY so you can get CBM on the enemy before the tenacity up.I think most agree that speed is by far a stronger stat than the others. The issue I see that doesn't get much talk is the actual mod sets. I've noticed a consistent trend in my shard and GA of opponents that are ignoring the mod set bonuses in favor of 4 speed set plus any 2 random max secondary speed mods.Could we not possibly have some penalty for not matching the sets? Perhaps a 25-50% stat decrease on the mods that aren't matched if the set bonus is not activated. Meaning a 24 speed mod becomes a 12 speed mod if it's set requirement is not met.This doesn't make speed any less powerful, it just prevents people getting one mod and using it everywhere no matter the character. It just prevents the race for 1 more speed no matter the cost. The current loss of the set bonuses just doesn't off set the gain of 1 speed.Perhaps we can gather some ideas for the devs here.

The devs have occasionally paid some lip service to the dominance of speed, but their actual actions don't seem to indicate any intent to do anything about it. Speed has always been king, and there's no reason to believe it won't continue to be so for the foreseeable future.Just to spitball, though:- Diminishing returns on speed, similar to how the benefits of defense decrease the more you add.- A soft cap on speed - past a certain point it requires more points of speed from mods to equate to 1 actual speed added to the character. Very similar to diminishing returns, you'd just have a more obvious "optimal" amount to mod for.- A tradeoff for massive speed stats. Past a certain point, adding more speed reduces the character's other stats, increasing in severity the more you exceed it. Call it "burnout" from the character being "pushed to their limits" or something. I like this one the most since it would add the strategy element of figuring out how much "burnout" is acceptable before the character becomes crippled, but it also seems the least likely to actually be implemented.

As someone with good speed mods, I'll take a pass on this suggestion :p

I certainly agree with speed suffering similar diminishing returns to other stats. I'd be wary of the soft cap as it would probably create more complexity for players (although you and I may get it, newer or less engaged players may not understand why the stats are the way the are).I don't think negatively affecting a stat for taking another stat would work well. Could end up in a system of "hey I got this great new mod but I can't use it".Having speed subject to the same rules as other stats would work to some extent. A large part of my suggestion is attached to my feeling "Why have mod sets if people are just going to use whatever fast mod no matter what?"

"TVF;c-1870021" wrote:As someone with good speed mods, I'll take a pass on this suggestion :p I have good speed mods as well, it's not really a matter of haves and have nots so much as "Why have a set if a single secondary stat is better?"There are people giving up 16% hp, 8%crit, 20% tenacity, 15% potency and 25% defense (6 dot bonuses) for 1 speed. That seems like a rough trade if you don't know that 1 speed is better than all of those combined. I even see some cases of people ignoring the 4 set bonuses with a random assortment of mods.The real problem is it homogenizes all characters without a shtick like Droideka (hit harder the more enemies that go before it) into "really fast guy". The abilities start to fall away in favor of having a turn a little bit earlier.

Deciding what is worth giving up for speed should be part of the strategy of mods.

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HKFactory
New Scout
7 years ago
The first thought that comes to mind is a simple, nerf speed secondary stats and buff every other secondary stat, especially the lesser used ones.
DaarthBrewer
Seasoned Ace
7 years ago
"HKFactory;c-1870643" wrote:
The first thought that comes to mind is a simple, nerf speed secondary stats and buff every other secondary stat, especially the lesser used ones.

Where is the dislike button even? Bleah, try again.
AndyCovell
7 years ago
Personally I think it’s stupid to have maxed sets for one more speed. That part isn’t strategic at all. I don’t have mixed sets where you have a random critical damage and speed set on the same toon. It means the player lacks speed likely.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
"AndySCovell;c-1870653" wrote:
Personally I think it’s stupid to have maxed sets for one more speed. That part isn’t strategic at all. I don’t have mixed sets where you have a random critical damage and speed set on the same toon. It means the player lacks speed likely.

If I can outspeed the opposing team by adding one speed, you better believe I'm going to "not be strategic," whatever that's supposed to mean.
BlueRoseBlade
7 years ago
"AndySCovell;c-1870653" wrote:
Personally I think it’s stupid to have maxed sets for one more speed. That part isn’t strategic at all. I don’t have mixed sets where you have a random critical damage and speed set on the same toon. It means the player lacks speed likely.

In most metas, there are key units for whom going first is The Most Important Thing. Badstila and Thrawn are the most obvious. R2 going before Devan has a huge impact on whether or not Padme can win in the current arena. Going non-meta, whether or not you can get Starck to go first is the bar that makes the difference between, "Imperial troopers counter almost everything on offense," and just another B team. Many units like Hermit Yoda, C-3PO, or First Order Officer get almost nothing out of stats that are not speed. Go first, go often is the name of the game.

Sacrificing 15% potency or 10% health in order to have a better chance at winning initiative when winning initiative affects you chances of victory way more than that health or potency. Prioritizing the thing that can win you fights is a 100% valid and reasonable strategic choice.
HKFactory
New Scout
7 years ago
"DaarthBrewer;c-1870649" wrote:

Where is the dislike button even? Bleah, try again.

Or you can try not being a troll and adding something of value to the conversation.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
"HKFactory;c-1870701" wrote:
"DaarthBrewer;c-1870649" wrote:

Where is the dislike button even? Bleah, try again.

Or you can try not being a troll and adding something of value to the conversation.

Disagreeing with a suggestion is not being a troll, it's disagreeing.

Anyone who thinks anyone who disagrees is a troll should not be making suggestions on a public forum.
AndyCovell
7 years ago
"TVF;c-1870703" wrote:
"HKFactory;c-1870701" wrote:
"DaarthBrewer;c-1870649" wrote:

Where is the dislike button even? Bleah, try again.

Or you can try not being a troll and adding something of value to the conversation.

Disagreeing with a suggestion is not being a troll, it's disagreeing.

Anyone who thinks anyone who disagrees is a troll should not be making suggestions on a public forum.

Get a life. You are on every post on this forum. And as far as strategy mixing sets isn’t considered strategy.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
Maximizing my speed so both my DR and my BSF go before anyone else goes is absolutely strategy. I tweak their speeds almost every arena battle at the top to get that result and my fights are way easier because of it.

Thanks for your concern about my free time though.
BlueRoseBlade
7 years ago
"AndySCovell;c-1870706" wrote:
Get a life. You are on every post on this forum. And as far as strategy mixing sets isn’t considered strategy.

You're also here.

And isn't considered strategy by whom? You? Doesn't matter.

Every informed choice that impacts an outcome in a game is part of strategy. Choosing to sacrifice the benefit of a matched set in favor of a different benefit that you believe will help you more is absolutely strategy. Is it theoretically optimal? No. Is it the best available option in some situations? Absolutely.

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