So I've gotten rank number 1 for the first time recently several times in arena after changing my payout and quite frankly the climb up really isn't too bad between padme and the grievous nuke squad. Everyday though I have seen someone running the exact same nuke team except with less zetas, worse mods, and lower gear in squad arena. Yet everyday they seem to never get pushed out of the top 20. I have a full g12 plus all zetas high end mods nuke squad with a relic 7 grievous and I consistently get pushed back to the mid 30s and have to fight my way back at some obscure hour and waste a refresh just to get back up to the top. There's no logical explanation for why I get tagged everyday and somebody with a way worse squad sits in the same spot unless there's some underhanded stuff going on. That being said I know this has been brought up before just expressing frustration that working hard on a team means less then getting into some exclusive arena chat that allows you to not get constantly hit. This game should've moved more crystals away from squad arena a long time ago, and I would hope that along with these so called anti-cheating measures you are working on that this would be something that could be discussed and somehow monitored as well as it creates an unfair playing field for essentially what is the most necessary resource in the game, crystals.

Moving crystal income out of arena is not the answer (for players or CG). Join the arena shard chat. It's fun. Most shard chats are a bunch of nice guys ages girls who just don't want CG to keep extra crystals.

So contact the top players and try and get in the chat

"Shaddes;c-1989649" wrote:"Austin9370;c-1989645" wrote:Improve your social skills.This, must be a reason you’ve never been invited to the server. If you’ve been actually hitting first they should have contacted you but without any screenshots or anything I’m guessing you’re just tired of having to play arena daily. That isn't necessarily true well established chats that aren't looking to increase their members won't be actively seeking him or her out. So it's not a given if anything he will be treated as an annoyance and just means you will piss off the shard chat. 20+ against 1 isn't gonna win them anything and force everyone to burn crystals on refreshes. Members in shard chat needs longevity they aren't gonna just invite one person who uses a gimp team to climb that won't last much longer. If the player cannot stay consistently in the top 20 and into new metas they will just be a fleeting member and then they will be buried into the 50 and 100s. So yea if he doesn't have a roster well built to move into new metas he's never gonna get an invite into a matured squad arena.It's best if he proactively reaches out and asks to avoid peoples payouts who climb around his time. a soft delicate approach is imo the best approach.I will tell you as someone who runs squad arena chat. Gg suicide squad is annoying. It's a cheap team with limited viability long term.

"ottomaddux;c-1989655" wrote:"Nikoms565;c-1989604" wrote:Moving crystal income out of arena is not the answer (for players or CG). Join the arena shard chat. It's fun. Most shard chats are a bunch of nice guys ages girls who just don't want CG to keep extra crystals. not always so easy. I can't find find my arena shard chat. I've heard other people being told they aren't welcome to join or the chat is full. I was invited in 3 years ago, but there is no way to find the group now. I have tried multiple times.You can find the ally code of a player you suspect to be part of the chat on the swgoh website and then send an in-game message. If your team is good enough, they'll probably accept you.

Crystals in arena is the backbone of this game. For the sake of the longevity of this game.. it needs to continue on.

These arena shard chats are extremely annoying

LiathSW
6 years ago
"PAULYSHORE;c-1989847" wrote:
"Liath;c-1989837" wrote:
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"Liath;c-1989816" wrote:
"PAULYSHORE;c-1989811" wrote:
"Liath;c-1989808" wrote:
"PAULYSHORE;c-1989803" wrote:
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"PAULYSHORE;c-1989764" wrote:
"Devian;c-1989761" wrote:
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I consistently get pushed back to the mid 30s and have to fight my way back at some obscure hour and waste a refresh just to get back up to the top.

P.S. so you basically constantly refresh and **** other people when climbing not at your PO? Good luck getting on everyone's white list XD

Not sure you have the capability to read the entire post. I moved my payout to 5am which is the aforementioned obscure hour. The only time I do climb is right around my payout other than that I don't touch anyone all day. Your previous comment also doesn't make sense. The post suggested having another stable source of crystals, not completely removing them from arena and leaving everyone with nothing as that literally doesn't even make sense. I fail to see a valid point presented on either end.

You know 5 AM is 5pm in other places right?

You could replace the numbers with any time from any time zone. The point was I recognized I must have been hitting someone in the shard chat at the payout I was at so I tried to choose a payout at the completely opposite time in hopes of avoiding doing so. In the end that shouldn't really be something you have to worry about because arena shouldn't be about a group of people ganging up to keep anyone else not in the chat from those top spots.

Yes, but you might have just put yourself in the middle of a different group’s payout time.

Understood, hence the frustration. Essentially you are forced to join one of these chats which is exactly what this post is about.

If you want to reap the benefits of being part of a club then you have to join said club. Shocking I’m sure.

Again squad arena isn't a social club and was never marketed as one. Im not being hypocritical, I'm saying there shouldn't be a club in the first place.

Arena isn’t a social club. Neither is the job market or academic classes. But there are social clubs that spring up around those things that provide their members with benefits in those areas. If you were in a field where people in study groups get an advantage from working together and as a result tend to get better grades than people who didn’t join them, would you complain to the school that study groups should be banned because you don’t want to be “forced” to join one?

These people aren't discussing mod strategies or ways to legitimately get ahead. They are just ganging up on people who have found ways to beat them legitimately. The intent behind the scenarios presented is extremely different, one is promoting improvement of the whole while the other is effectively punishing those who have figured out a way to do it on their own.

Shard chats don’t exist for the purpose of ganging up on others. They exist for the mutual benefit of everyone involved by allowing people to climb to their payouts without interfering with others trying to do the same. That other people outside the chat who aren’t cooperating to everyone’s benefit get knocked back more is a means to protecting themselves. And even if that person truly isn’t interfering with payouts (unlikely since he probably doesn’t even know them), it’s unsurprising that people given a choice in whom to hit will choose someone they don’t know over someone they are friendly with.
Nikoms565
6 years ago
"Unknownhost;c-1989871" wrote:
Shard chats organizing payouts is just another way of cheating for weak players with expensive habits. Been like this since mmo's came out. Maybe not shard chats obviously but the weak always band together, usually sycophanticly around on er two strong people. Nothing new.

Be nice if this got fixed but then too many of our millenial user base would cry. XD

In actuality it's the strongest players in arena that are in the guild chat. It's so that the paying players don't waste crystals refreshing to keep beating each other back and don't have to waste time doing so. Also, many of the strongest rosters (i.e. whales) are adults with jobs, so they don't like to have to play arena for 2 hours right before payout to try to prevent being sniped by someone who is just being a jerk or by some f2p with a GG nuke team with 2 or 3 g11 droids in tow, cheesing it's way through a top 20 full of full R7 DR/Malak squads. Sure, there are some weaker players that benefit from being part of the rotation, but for the most part, shards chats are pretty much the opposite of what you (and the OP) describe.

Honestly, the people that usually take issue with shard chats are the weaker players in the shard whose rosters can't consistently compete and that just now found a counter that can get them in to the top 20 - but after 3 years of ignoring everyone's payout, sniping and generally being annoying, they are shocked to find out that some of the players don't like that kind of behavior.
Indominable_J81
6 years ago
"PAULYSHORE;c-1989847" wrote:

These people aren't discussing mod strategies or ways to legitimately get ahead. They are just ganging up on people who have found ways to beat them legitimately. The intent behind the scenarios presented is extremely different, one is promoting improvement of the whole while the other is effectively punishing those who have figured out a way to do it on their own.You look at the top of these arenas and almost everybody has the same mods gear and zetas. Only difference is who you are friends with.

You assume they're ganging up because you're getting hit to the 30s over the course of the day. Ganging up would be a coordinated effort to chain you back when you're trying to climb. What you're describing is pretty standard behavior -- if I'm rank 17 and I have two teams at 13 and 12 that I can equally beat, I'm likely to choose the one that isn't in my shard chat. Why? Not because I'm trying to gang up on someone, but because why should I make things harder for the person who is willing to be cooperative and participate in an activity that results in higher net crystals for the members of the chat?

And you don't know what they're discussing if you're not in the chat. We discuss mods and strategies in mine. We discuss TB and other things as well. My biggest opponent from the snipe-and-lock days before my chat started and I talk regularly about all kinds of things including TW strategies, mods, and team comps. We test teams against each other, since there's no sandbox mode to try things.
Aneima35
6 years ago
Shard chats aren’t cheating:

It’s working together for an end goal of collecting the most crystals you possibly can to continue to build our rosters.

My chat accepts new people. Those that climb and continuously hit people of the chat w/o contacting us do get targeted back.

If you’re new to the top20 and use a one trick pony team to beat the most expensive team ever created (SithEmpire)....then you will get knocked back.

Don’t take it personal....many shard chats have people that’s been getting rank 1 for years. Some aren’t so welcoming to new players and some like mine are.

My advice:contact the people you see in top10.

Also build your roster stronger. It’s important to have more than a one trick pony team.
Aneima35
6 years ago
"7AnimalMother;c-1989977" wrote:
"John_Matrix1985;c-1989672" wrote:
Crystals in arena is the backbone of this game. For the sake of the longevity of this game.. it needs to continue on.

Yup. If you think the current quitting trend due to relics/gas/malak was bad, watch what happens if they ever make good on the promise to move crystal income from arenas to GAC.

I agree that if they remove the amount of crystals then many will leave.

But they won’t. Arena crystals is why many people including myself chases the meta, they remove crystals then there then becomes no point to spend money on new OP toons that come out. There also becomes no point in playing arena.

I don’t ever see CG doing this. They know about shard chats. They know Arena is the reason why people purchase new stuff. They aren’t gonna take a chance on messing that up.
Aneima35
6 years ago
"PAULYSHORE;c-1994383" wrote:
"JediMindTricks;c-1993194" wrote:
Shard chats aren’t cheating:

It’s working together for an end goal of collecting the most crystals you possibly can to continue to build our rosters.

My chat accepts new people. Those that climb and continuously hit people of the chat w/o contacting us do get targeted back.

If you’re new to the top20 and use a one trick pony team to beat the most expensive team ever created (SithEmpire)....then you will get knocked back.

Don’t take it personal....many shard chats have people that’s been getting rank 1 for years. Some aren’t so welcoming to new players and some like mine are.

My advice:contact the people you see in top10.

Also build your roster stronger. It’s important to have more than a one trick pony team.

These people were contacted. I have the best droid team in my shard, and one of the best padme teams along with dre and malak. It's not like I've got just one team. I was told shard would not accept any new players that everyone has been in top of arena for years and that just the way it was. I proactively contacted them letting then know my payout time and asked them about theirs so I could avoid hitting anyone and they used that to collaborate and push me back even further. As I stated before if someone finds a way to make it up there literally no point unless your invited to the social party. SQUAD ARENA IS A JOKE.

That honestly sucks that they didn’t take you in despite you doing the right thing and contacted them.

If I was in your shoes I’d continue to climb/become a pest until they finally get tired and accept you.

Those type of shard chats give other chats that accept people a bad rap.
gflegui
6 years ago
I’m in the arena shard and i get knocked to 30 or 50. The only benefit is to climb safely to your PO! Then you are getting targueted as everyone else. Maybe your squad is easy to counter with Bastillaz and JKR.
austin09370
6 years ago
Improve your social skills.
ottomaddux
6 years ago
"Nikoms565;c-1989604" wrote:
Moving crystal income out of arena is not the answer (for players or CG). Join the arena shard chat. It's fun. Most shard chats are a bunch of nice guys ages girls who just don't want CG to keep extra crystals.

not always so easy. I can't find find my arena shard chat. I've heard other people being told they aren't welcome to join or the chat is full. I was invited in 3 years ago, but there is no way to find the group now. I have tried multiple times.
hummer81
6 years ago
"icanectc;c-1989659" wrote:

I will tell you as someone who runs squad arena chat. Gg suicide squad is annoying. It's a cheap team with limited viability long term.

It is a viable counter to a speed dominant team when the mod lottery has not dropped you endless 25+ speed mods

OP you might be stepping on people's toes who are climbing at the same time as you. Reaching out to others might help but it doesn't take a lot to annoy the shard chat and they may not be up for the brash newcomer. Especially with only GG as the viable climbing tool.