Top 2 GAC Kyber spots.... really?

"Shadow597;c-2120776" wrote:
I don't know much about the #2 guy, but I am one of the officers in Bus74's guild and in his arena shard. I don't care what anyone says - I am glad to have him in my guild. The amount of work and theory-crafting that goes into every GAC battle is off the charts - you should see the pages and pages of notes he takes to plan out every battle, plan out which units to use to complete feats, how to maximize banners by using "lesser" units on a team, where to undersize, etc. Everyone has a way they like to play, whether it's being good at raids, or maximizing TB waves, or taking first in the GAC leaderboards. You don't like the way he plays? You don't like him beating you? Get good. Because I guarantee that you don't put in the same level of effort, and definitely aren't as skilled, as he is.

Also, he's consistently one of our top TW performers (go figure - when you have a lot of unorthodox counters for meta teams, you are pretty useful in TW regardless of GP) and does well enough in TB to keep us happy. Sure he doesn't get a KAM shard because he's busy maximizing his roster for GAC, but I think having the Premiere Kyber Champion of Division 1 (and the game sense that comes with him) in our guild is worth it.

Thanks for that. That's great you guys are happy and like I said, that's all that matters is that you enjoy the game you're playing. With that said, it still doesn't change the fact that the system is flawed in a major way. I'm sure it takes lots of planning to do what he does,I don't think anyone is disputing that. But again, it also shows that there are ways to play the system which should not be the case. And as far as him beating me, I wouldn't know. We would never be paired together so we'd never know.

"MetaThumper;c-2120760" wrote:

"Bus074;c-2120743" wrote:
I don’t know about that rank 2 guy! But, no — no issues with rank 1. o:)

As long as you're having fun that's all that matters in the end. It must be really hard not to level some of those very bare factions of yours up that you want to but won't risk having that easy mode activated. Mind if I ask how many waves you pull in DS Geo? LS Geo?

To highlight the fundamental flaws with the system. Pictures are worth a thousand words they say. I am on the left and you are on the right.

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"Lysandrax;c-2120799" wrote:

"MetaThumper;c-2120760" wrote:

"Bus074;c-2120743" wrote:
I don’t know about that rank 2 guy! But, no — no issues with rank 1. o:)

As long as you're having fun that's all that matters in the end. It must be really hard not to level some of those very bare factions of yours up that you want to but won't risk having that easy mode activated. Mind if I ask how many waves you pull in DS Geo? LS Geo?

To highlight the fundamental flaws with the system. Pictures are worth a thousand words they say. I am on the left and you are on the right.

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Meh, with what I've spent I'll get a week vacation possibly.

"Shadow597;c-2120797" wrote:

"MetaThumper;c-2120760" wrote:

"Bus074;c-2120743" wrote:
I don’t know about that rank 2 guy! But, no — no issues with rank 1. o:)

As long as you're having fun that's all that matters in the end. It must be really hard not to level some of those very bare factions of yours up that you want to but won't risk having that easy mode activated. Mind if I ask how many waves you pull in DS Geo? LS Geo?

To highlight the fundamental flaws with the system. Pictures are worth a thousand words they say. I am on the left and you are on the right.

Not really sure what you are trying to say with this picture... you are a bit faster than he is with some of your units? And have a little more GP? You have a better Padme, Brood, and Bossk, and he has a better GAS, Malak and Thrawn. Are you saying that whoever has the highest GP, regardless of roster or skill, should be #1 in GAC, followed by the #2 in GP, etc.?

Not at all. I'm saying that the people that are at the top should be the best players in that division, but as it is now, that isn't possible. I think enough has been shared to leave this case behind. You all take care and keep kicking rear.

Because all players have to agree.

"TVF;c-2120820" wrote:
Because all players have to agree.

Dang, either yall are a tight knit group or it's all one dude with more laptops than we're being led to believe

"MetaThumper;c-2120812" wrote:

Not at all. I'm saying that the people that are at the top should be the best players in that division, but as it is now, that isn't possible. I think enough has been shared to leave this case behind. You all take care and keep kicking rear.

I'm sorry, but from the picture you posted and Bus 74's guild mate's comment, they managed to achieve better results with an inferior roster but hardworking. That sounds like the definition of a better player to me.

There are leaderboards now?

I can guarantee that if the thin roster was put against someone with a full roster they would get smashed no matter what the skill level of players were. Additionally, there is nothing to show that the thin roster is a better player than the full roster as they will never meet.

Having thought about it, the divisions shouldn’t be based upon total GP but whatever the MM GP is. Then for each round, players should be matched according to rank groups. After a random matchup in round 1.

At least that way, each division would get the best players in that div rather than those who have gamed the system to get the best possible match ups.

"Waqui;c-2120203" wrote:

"Akenno;c-2120106" wrote:

"Kurgen;c-2119446" wrote:
Yeah I understand how the matching works.... not much of a championship having 2nd rate rosters winning it though. After the first round, they should be matching to where you are on the leaderboard.

That is exactly how a championship should work!
It makes zero sense that people with such a roster can easily get #1... MM should be around the same GAC points from the current championship...

Terrible idea. You will see some extremely uneven matches this way - not only during the first GA where everyone start at 0 points. I believe the use of top-X GP and leagues result in more even matches.

"Akenno;c-2120106" wrote:

and not with Top-X Chars...
If you do it with Top-X Chars, only those chars can be used! Not other ones!

Another terrible idea. Matching by top-X GP is actually pretty close to matching by the GP of the characters the round winners actually use to win a round (in 5v5 div. 1 + 2 at least - I didn't investigate 3v3 cases).

"Akenno;c-2120106" wrote:

I don't know why CG doesn't get it...

Maybe they do get it.

GAC should be about the #1 player inside the division... Not about luck in MM.
Top-X GP may result in some fair matches but doesn't work for a ranked leaderboard like GAC.

As I said, no game does such a system like we have right now. Not a single one.
MMR matchmaking or GAC points are still better and will contribute towards #1 for the division.

If they would get rid of the pricing and the leaderboard, I would go for a Top-X GP MM. (Still unfair if you have only maxed out these toons and get paired with someone that got all toons maxed)

If you do my idea, you would need more divisions to get fair matches.
If you go for Top-X GP they should restrict the matchup only to those X chars. Otherwise (as described) it is unfair and not in-line with a tournament gamemode.