TW Exploit

"TekkarEdorf;c-1417650" wrote:
The most annoying thing is when the game crashes while loading a battle and you lose your team doing 0 damage

Wrong thread. If there's even a right one here for that.

They do? Also, match ups aren't always within the same tier.

Yeah, I don't see how this is a problem. It's GP entering the fight based, not guild GP based. So if people sit, then it takes the GP of those who are fighting when matching.

"GunsAtFour;c-1417699" wrote:

"Liath;c-1417695" wrote:
They do? Also, match ups aren't always within the same tier.

No. Because players sit out to drop down to an easier tier. The match ups were intended to be within 10 mill to make it fair. the current system is being exploited every TW.

I'm not sure if you understood what I said. Even if a 125m guild benches some people to drop to 115m, they could still get paired against a 125m guild that didn't bench anybody, because match ups aren't necessarily within the same rewards tier.

"NicWester;c-1417702" wrote:
If you're saying a guild with 100,000,000 power (just to throw out a number) is benching half its players so that only 50,000,000 power are involved in the War and being matched up against another 50,000,000 guild with all of its players........ Then doesn't that mean the 50m guild will win because they have potentially double the teams? Yeah, the high-power guild has more power per player, but they're still capped by the absolute number of characters in the game and will have to put good squads on defense just so they can fill up every territory--and if they don't fill up every territory, they'll lose because the other team did.

The 50m GP guild won't win because they don't have any teams that can beat the top teams of the 100m GP guild.

But, getting 1st place rewards half as often doesn't sound like a worthwhile trade to me.

"PremierVenoth;c-1417713" wrote:
On the flip side the #2 rewards are close enough to the #1 it barely matters.

We're in the 40-49 bracket. Win, we get a zeta mat. Lose, we don't. It certainly matters to us.

"GunsAtFour;c-1417692" wrote:
Big guilds rotating who sits out of Tw so they can drop down a payout tier for an easy win.

The easiest fix of all is set the guild to their total GP regardless of who joins the TW in the join period.

for a game that was developed to make you log in multiple times per day you would think the devs would have made it this way from the get go. Inactivity gets punished. Stops the exploit in its tracks. Makes guild seek out more active players.

Its no brainer and I am very dissapointed with development team for not running TW this way to begin with.

That "easiest fix" is a horrible fix. I'm not saying it requires no brain to come up with such a fix, but it clearly hasn't been thought through.
Also, it's already punishing to be inactive, you don't get rewards.

"GunsAtFour;c-1417742" wrote:
when your guild has an average GP of 2.8 mill you only need to sit out 3-4 players to drop down a tier. on a rotation you still end up with more zetas as prizes then you would if you went 50/50 and lost once in a while

Its clear to me that those defending the expoit are those abusing the exploit.

I gave a simple solution to fix the exploit to make it fair.
So why defend the current system? Would not want to stop those getting an easy advantage from having easy zetas now would we.

So because i think your proposed fix is horrible i must be an exploiter, great. I'm not even going to bother pointing out the flaws. It just won't fix anything and takes away the option to skip a TW if you don't want to play for what ever reasons you may have. Yes, that includes legit reasons aswell as sacrificing your own rewards in order to give your guild a better chance at winning.

The difference between winning and losing a territory war is not that significant. The only time I see it as such is mentioned above. Your guild is in the tier that, win you get a zeta, lose you don’t. Guilds aren’t asking members to sit out of TW just to move down a bracket for an easy win. Zeta’s are the coveted prize. My guild has not won a TW yet and it isn’t because we are faced up against a guild that was “expoliting” the system. It just doesn’t make any sense to ask people to sit out. People forget to sign up. People sign up and then don’t participate as much as others. Some guilds have good strategy, some don’t.

The only “fix” that I see needed you can’t count a players entire inventory towards the registered GP. It should be counted as just the toons greater than or equal to 6000 for each player. A lot of people star up toons for TB platoons with no intentions of using them other than that but you can’t use those toons in TW but they still get counted as active GP.

Dropping down a single tier is pointless. It's not as if the full roster players in a 110m guild can't field teams to beat the teams of the 45 players from a 120m guild. Our guild has won TWs against guilds with that kinda GP difference. If this is your complaint you just messed up the strategy. People do lose TW without the other team exploiting.

If your dropping players for the difference in team quality to really come into play, then you're doing your gp so far that even winning gives a worse reward than losing at your full force.

Not to mention that the players being rotated out undoubtedly hate the guild for this dumbass "strategy", and will jump ship when a decent recruiter find them for a competing guild.

"GunsAtFour;c-1417742" wrote:
when your guild has an average GP of 2.8 mill you only need to sit out 3-4 players to drop down a tier. on a rotation you still end up with more zetas as prizes then you would if you went 50/50 and lost once in a while

Its clear to me that those defending the expoit are those abusing the exploit.

I gave a simple solution to fix the exploit to make it fair.
So why defend the current system? Would not want to stop those getting an easy advantage from having easy zetas now would we.

I think the proposed solution is a terrible one and we are certainly not exploiting it. We are 50m GP guild and nobody is told to sit out, they are told that if they sign up they had better contribute or they will be kicked (few freeloaders). Hardly the same. So after a bit of a cleanout last time we had 7 players not sign up for this, note "not sign up" rather than "benched". Also, it is my favourite part of the game right now, if I was told to sit them out as well as missing playing it I would lose rewards, I would be very annoyed. The guild we are up against right now is a 57m GP guild, pretty sure they don't have a full roster either. If they benched people so stronger ones could win (which I doubt), they got it rather wrong.

It is just possible people sit these things out because they have other stuff on.

Sorry, accusing others of this is just sour grapes because you are losing.