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"thedrjojo;c-2262260" wrote:"NicWester;c-2261031" wrote:"AhnaldisGOAT;c-2261018" wrote:"NicWester;c-2260957" wrote:"RTS;c-2260531" wrote:"Ultra;c-2260483" wrote:
BH aren’t neutral tho
They absolutely are. They go where the money is - if the rebels had paid them appropriately then they would have been doing stuff for the rebels.
BH are realistically as neutral as it gets among title characters.
Greed and a lack of moral conviction doesn't make one neutral.
I would argue the opposite. Greed makes it so that you just don’t care. Zam Wesell says her attempt to kill Padme was “just a job”. Just because someone is paying you for one job, doesn’t mean they won’t follow the money. If the Rebels paid better than the Empire or Jabba, you can bet that Boba would be shadowing Han WHEREVER HE WENT. Playing both sides makes you Neutral in any sense of the word.
The light side is about collective strength, the dark side is about thw strength of the individual. Playing both sides, in this case, is about nihilism. Say what you want about the narcissim of the sith, but at least it's an ethos... Neutrality, by your terms, is just greed over any sense of morality."DonPuto;c-2261020" wrote:"NicWester;c-2260957" wrote:"RTS;c-2260531" wrote:"Ultra;c-2260483" wrote:
BH aren’t neutral tho
They absolutely are. They go where the money is - if the rebels had paid them appropriately then they would have been doing stuff for the rebels.
BH are realistically as neutral as it gets among title characters.
Greed and a lack of moral conviction doesn't make one neutral.
Presumptuous statement
How so? He's defining neutrality as self-interest. You fight for one side until the other pays you more, so you believe in cash more than you believe in the sith code or the rebellion. Greed and not believing in anything enough to actually commit. What would you call it?
Keep in mind, I'm not saying this means bounty hunters are all dark side by necessity. Bounty hunting is just a job. The Mandalorian and Greef, they're light side for a reason. What I'm responding to is the faulty logic of people saying Boba Fett is neutral because he would betray anyone if offered a better price.
Morality is subjective
Not relevant. Moral commitment isn't subjective. If you're fighting for the Empire because they pay you, that's bad enough but betraying them because someone else paid you more is worse. That person doesn't stand for anything.
"thedrjojo;c-2262263" wrote:"NicWester;c-2262161" wrote:"Someone! I deleted too much!" wrote:
It's easier to argue that greef and mando were neutral while they were bounty hunters than that they were light side. They put a hit out on a baby.
They eventually changed their ways and then became aligned against gideon but that doesn't make them ls all along.
Neither of them knew the job, it was just another puck from a renowned documentarian until the capsule opened. We don't have enough information about Mando or Greef to know their alignment at the start of the series--although, given that Mando was raised by a sect of Mandalorians with a strong collective ethos I would be inclined to say he was light from the get-go.
Just cause he was in a cult doesn't mean it's a good cult. Mandolorians did battle and oppose the jedi...
Sect and cult aren't synonyms. Also, what's this have to do with anything?
"Nihion;c-2262550" wrote:"thedrjojo;c-2262263" wrote:"NicWester;c-2262161" wrote:"Someone! I deleted too much!" wrote:
It's easier to argue that greef and mando were neutral while they were bounty hunters than that they were light side. They put a hit out on a baby.
They eventually changed their ways and then became aligned against gideon but that doesn't make them ls all along.
Neither of them knew the job, it was just another puck from a renowned documentarian until the capsule opened. We don't have enough information about Mando or Greef to know their alignment at the start of the series--although, given that Mando was raised by a sect of Mandalorians with a strong collective ethos I would be inclined to say he was light from the get-go.
Just cause he was in a cult doesn't mean it's a good cult. Mandolorians did battle and oppose the jedi...
This thread actually just exposes one of Star Wars’ biggest tensions: The franchise is built on the idea of good vs. evil, a conflict in which both sides are clear and morality is decided for us. There is dark and there is light, and it’s as simple as that. However, a lot of Star Wars stories are beginning to play with the idea that morality can’t be simplified into light and dark. This makes it kind of complicated for the game to assign “sides.” Although Mace Windu is a Jedi Master, we all know that he’s not necessarily the most “light side” Jedi out there. In SWGOH, he is a light side champion; no ifs ands or buts. I look at their alignment choices this way: Most often, the characters whose perspectives in media we are given are light side. Their enemies are dark side. This is why Greef and Mando are light side.
That's because Star Wars is, and always has been, for kids. Adults can enjoy it, but all the movies and shows have been for kids--albeit Mandalorian is for older kids. So it's always been a pretty simple Good Guys vs Bad Guys.
Adult fans have more nuanced views so they back-fill that into the movies to make them seem more complex than they are. But that's all personal interpretation that isn't actually in the text in most cases.
"DarkHelmet1138;c-2262586" wrote:"NicWester;c-2262161" wrote:"Someone! I deleted too much!" wrote:
It's easier to argue that greef and mando were neutral while they were bounty hunters than that they were light side. They put a hit out on a baby.
They eventually changed their ways and then became aligned against gideon but that doesn't make them ls all along.
Neither of them knew the job, it was just another puck from a renowned documentarian until the capsule opened. We don't have enough information about Mando or Greef to know their alignment at the start of the series--although, given that Mando was raised by a sect of Mandalorians with a strong collective ethos I would be inclined to say he was light from the get-go.
It hints heavily that he was raised by death watch. While they have a code of honor, they aren't light side. Did you not watch the clone wars? Pre visua isn't a good guy and it only got worse under maul. While it's possible that they became good, I would find it somewhat unlikely.
Never saw Clone Wars. Saw a couple episodes and couldn't get into it. No tea, no shade, no lemonade, it's just not for me. But remember that light and dark is ultimately about the individual vs the collective which isn't necessarily a matter of good or evil.
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