Unaligned Force User speculation

"CCyrilS;c-2260297" wrote:

"Nihion;c-2260281" wrote:
I think that Chirrut (and maybe Maz Kanata) represent a really interesting section of the universe: Force Believers. They can’t use the force, but they worship and sense it. I don’t like to see Chirrut as a force user because he introduces a new idea for Star Wars. I mean, would it not be cool to have a whole religion of people in the galaxy that worship the Force like the Jedi or Sith but cannot use it?

That honestly sounds incredibly boring. Knowing of something awesome and not being able to use it?

Personally, I think it could set up some really fun conflicts/characters. I think Chirrut was a really interesting character, and he never really did use the Force. What did happen could be considered a “Force Miracle,” which could be big for the Force Believers.

In the expanded universe pre-Disney, there were lots of unaligned force users. Numerous force using sects existed outside of Sith and Jedi. We still have several to account for in canon such as the Inquisitors, Knights of Ren, Force Priestesses and even most Nightsisters use the force. However "aligned" can mean many things but in this case I take it to mean any non-Jedi or non-Sith that directly wields force powers.

"Kyno;c-2260311" wrote:

"Iy4oy4s;c-2260294" wrote:

Unaligned Force User sounds really bad, it should be Neutral Force User.

Maybe they didnt want it to be confused with the neutral tag.

But I also agree that neutral isnt really the "other option" between jedi and sith.

The tag no one is using? :p
For a second this morning I thought you guys removed it. Guess I never realized that it was in the section of filters before the alphabetical part.

"Kyno;c-2260509" wrote:

"twstdbydsn;c-2260500" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2260311" wrote:

"Iy4oy4s;c-2260294" wrote:

Unaligned Force User sounds really bad, it should be Neutral Force User.

Maybe they didnt want it to be confused with the neutral tag.

But I also agree that neutral isnt really the "other option" between jedi and sith.

The tag no one is using? :p
For a second this morning I thought you guys removed it. Guess I never realized that it was in the section of filters before the alphabetical part.

That doesnt mean they will not use it.

Soon™

Ventress already has the nightsister tag, the nightsisters are already their own alignment of force users.

CLS makes sense because he wasn’t being trained as a Jedi til he met Yoda, Obi Wan was just getting him warmed up to the force. But Leia has the force too, Luke confirmed she always has, she should get the unaligned tag. You don’t need to use telekinesis to be a force user, it gives heightened emotional intelligence, gives foresight, reflexes, etc., all things that helped Leia be influential.

Finn and Chirrut both showed force powers throughout the movies.

Why is JTR not a Jedi? A Jedi in training is a Jedi apprentice—Ahsoka, Ezra and Barriss are apprentices and they received the tag but Rey doesn’t? GL Rey for sure should have the tag. If you don’t want them to crossover with other Jedi then write it into their kit. JKL already does this.

UAF =
- Finn(s)
- Scavenger Rey
- Farmboy and Commander Luke
- Commander and Fulcrum Ahsoka
- Kylo(s)
- Visas
- Chirrut
- Leia(s)

You could even make an argument for IG11 and Beskar Mando because they use Grogu. Chewpio is part droid because it’s a 2-in-1 character so he has the droid tag, why does that logic not apply to characters with Grogu?

Ventress having the tag is a big stretch, she was a nightsister, nightsister magic is just them controlling the force. She never stopped being a nightsister, she just happened to use lightsabers and was taught some abilities by Dooku so she fought Sith-like.

Do you devs even Star Wars?

"Nihion;c-2260281" wrote:
I think that Chirrut (and maybe Maz Kanata) represent a really interesting section of the universe: Force Believers. They can’t use the force, but they worship and sense it. I don’t like to see Chirrut as a force user because he introduces a new idea for Star Wars. I mean, would it not be cool to have a whole religion of people in the galaxy that worship the Force like the Jedi or Sith but cannot use it?

Jedi and Sith are two denominations of the same religion. There are many other religions/organizations centered on the force. Canon ones include Nightsisters, Church of the Force, and Guardians of the Whills, with there being more in the EU. Chirrut is a Guardian of the Whills, a blind man who can walk freely without running into walls, who can blast X Wings out of there sky, and kung fu a bunch of stormtroopers with a stick. So technically he should get that tag, but then it’d be a pretty small faction with just him and Baze.

Also, the entire Rebellion adopted the force as their religion even though most can’t use it. Ackbar wishes it upon his fleet before the battle of Endor. The Republic X Wing pilot and Mando toss it around to each other lol

Bounty Hunters are probably the only faction that isn't invested in any kind of alignment. They don't care if the mark is a good or evil person or the moral consequences of their actions.

If you take the Mandalorian as an example, the moment he decided to renege on the contract and not kill the Baby, was the moment he stopped being a Bounty Hunter and became a hero.

Neutrality in game terms is probably more easily defined as Pragmatism and there's a ton of characters who fit that profile in the SW universe. Beckett from Solo, Hondo from Rebels, DJ (Benecio Del Toro's character in TLJ) That's a discussion for a different thread though.

I thought it was pretty obvious that Rogue One inferred Chirrut was in tune with the Force, considering the fact he was blind. Using (jedi) prescience to feel the flow of the force and "see" events in the future. He was effectively using the force to see instead of using his eyes.

"Taliana;c-2260529" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2260257" wrote:


He was a receiver, not really a user. He could only sense it, but not actually use it.

Scavenger Rey could do both which is what makes her a user.

Chirrut uses the force to tune his senses and his perception, and to guide his actions. He achieves things that a non-force user couldn’t do. That is using the force just as much as swinging laser swords and lifting rocks.

We debate whether Finn was using the force, but we were never quite sure. There’s no debate with Chirrut. He wasn’t a Jedi. But he was one heck of an unaligned force user.

Being force sensetive and being able to receive the sense, is different than being able to manipulate things using the force. Using the force to me is the ability to both in and out. (Nothing to do with a lightsaber)

Some people are force sensetive, they are input only. I wouldnt consider them a user, as they cannot output control of the force.

"Kyno;c-2260756" wrote:
Some people are force sensetive, they are input only. I wouldnt consider them a user, as they cannot output control of the force.

George Lucas defined any and all kind of aptitude with the Force as a product of midichlorians.

Anyone with a high midichlorian count has the potential to be able to "output", it's just a case of them being trained or naturally gifted example: Baby Yoda.

So I don't think we should have such a narrow perspective on who should be given this tag

"Kyno;c-2260756" wrote:

"Taliana;c-2260529" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2260257" wrote:


He was a receiver, not really a user. He could only sense it, but not actually use it.

Scavenger Rey could do both which is what makes her a user.

Chirrut uses the force to tune his senses and his perception, and to guide his actions. He achieves things that a non-force user couldn’t do. That is using the force just as much as swinging laser swords and lifting rocks.

We debate whether Finn was using the force, but we were never quite sure. There’s no debate with Chirrut. He wasn’t a Jedi. But he was one heck of an unaligned force user.

Being force sensetive and being able to receive the sense, is different than being able to manipulate things using the force. Using the force to me is the ability to both in and out. (Nothing to do with a lightsaber)

Some people are force sensetive, they are input only. I wouldnt consider them a user, as they cannot output control of the force.

The blind dude uses a bowcaster to blow a tie out of the sky, he’s using the force.

Finn sensed which ship the communication signal was transferred to which was instrumental in stopping SEE Palpy’s fleet. It’s a dumb movie but using the force is using the force.