Update on the Finn/Threepio Raid Interaction: Resulting Finn Modifications [MEGA]

"TangoFoxtrot;c-1777190" wrote:

"Dk_rek;c-1777175" wrote:

"Gannon;c-1777165" wrote:

"Dk_rek;c-1777158" wrote:

"Gannon;c-1777157" wrote:

"Dk_rek;c-1777150" wrote:

"Padas;c-1777142" wrote:
Zeta refunds should be given and the players should be allowed to reinvest it if they deem this new completely different kit worthy of their hard earned resources.

NOTHING really changed except the 3po cheese........ would love to see number of ppl who just zeta'd him for 3p0..... wrong.... old finn zeta was still a GA or TW win against most teams...

sorry but as long as TM swing in PVP stayed the same...which it did it's BETTER..... i see no issue with this...

I don't have 3po in defense yet

No dude, instead of 35% tm gain it is now 3% per resistance ally. This will cripple its viability against first order, which was the reason many ppl zeta'd him. Not everyone did it for the c3p0 loop thing.

you gain 15 THEY LOSE 25 IT'S A 40 PERCENT SWING

No. You gain 15, one of them loses 25 maybe. Potency/tenacity check will block it most of the time.
I doubt they can keep up with a kru team with that low gain

no but with finns stacking damage you won't have to keep hitting someone else till troopers special ready to hit KRU

you should still be able to keep a train going as long as your targeting different units with the exposes.... like post says might not be AS easy but it's still there as always potency and tenacity is still the main thing....

except poor revan cheese people.... gg

Ok guy, we get it. You like the changes. GREAT!!! I very well might like the changes too. However, I like to carefully review characters that I invest zetas and materials in and so do many other players. The right thing to do here would be to refund zeta AND gear and allow players to make a choice if he is gear/zeta worthy.

acutally i deleted a bunch of posts cause I was wrong I read it wrong the person who posted in my guild was wrong...... against non tenacity up teams I still think it can be worked and against KRU teams which i use zfinn for i'll actually have the damage to not sweat the timer as long as i SPREAD around the attacks....

So yes I retract because I thought the 25 down was to all and not one...do I now think it's not as good as before....possibly but I"ll still wait to see it in action as maybe it will suck.....

Negatives

Hurts guilds getting close to HAAT depends how much damage finn get's up to..... not having a TM train against a tank could really hurt if the damage does not stack fast enough

Hurts guilds cheesing HSTR.... nuff said

Hurts people who can't beat revan and were cheesing him

Hurts GA, TW might be a lot harder to catch up from a misfire on Poe.

Positives

People who put work into 5-10 HSTR teams can get back in the top 10 where they probably should be...

CG's precious raid is preserved or whatever line they wanna roll with.

so yeah it does look like the negatives outweigh the positives unless your the ones making the rules which THEY are and I guess it works for them....

Still not sure it's worth a refund.... i want my hoda zombie zeta back then....

I would even AGREE I guess IF you zetad FINN AFTER 3po was released.....and you own up to ONLY zeta'ing him for that team.....I guess a refund would be in order...but let's not act like the majority of the entirety of the game already had him zeta'd from WAYYYY back when...

This is just a horrible thing to do CG. Honestly you have displeased so many people who play you're game. The people find a way to solo 1 portion of your absurdly overly difficult raid and you nerf it. Every time there's some sort of loop people can find to make this raid easier so everyone can do it you nerf it. Honestly with how long this raid has been out you could have left this in and given guilds who were able to do the raid because of this a small little victory. By doing this you're proving that you don't actually care what the players want. If you're not reading these comments you're not seeing the players DIDN'T want this nerf but you did. Don't change Finn, don't change C3PO and don't change Treya, give us this one little victory and actually make yourselves look good.

Not to mention poe already reduced TM on ALL enemy toons which was consistent with ability reduction and TM gain.
On the contrary this change is a TM reduction applying nerf to zfinn teams.

Just refund the zeta and let the players choose. This will make 75% of the angry people here including me happy.

@CG_TopHat @CG_Carrie I have been playing since Christmas Day 2015, I have not agreed with everything that has been modified since launch but have been happy with the games progression overall, but I think you fail to realize what you have done. Nobody cares about the HSTR loop, we expected and wanted it removed, as a whole, as it is the current endgame content. But you have really done 3 egregious actions which affect quite a lot.

1) You removed the ability to solo the HAAT specifically after CG _ Tophat claimed this would stay intact.

2) You removed one of the only viable teams to defeat Revan and Traya (Especially in TW and GA). Considering this team required Zfinn and another legendary toon C3PO this should not have been changed.

3) The most important error, is the refusal to refund the zeta mats. This is no small nerf, nor a zeta becoming obsolete from the game advancing. This is a fundamental change in the ability some players saved up months of zetas for.

As a long standing player of this game, I thought it was important to detail exactly what the issues are with the change. I have recommendations as well that would satisfy the community at large while keeping the fair play standards of the game intact if you are interested.

All the hate in this thread should be solely on the fact that when designing a character that can EXPOSE that no one even looked into the possibility of this nightmare situation happening before even releasing the golden nimrod

If they give the refund fine but man.....how come they dont' refund everyone's zetas who become worthless when they nerf something what's with the pick and choose.... I would be a LOT less salty if I got my hoda zeta back when zombie became non paper zombie while daka, barris, maybe finn get theirs back..... I know...I"m salty

This “fix” isn’t about the Sith or HAAT Raid. The real reason this is showing up now is to avoid a 3 year old character from destroying any future incoming reworks or new characters. Those are the revenue drivers of the game. More specifically the incoming General Grievous rework. Everything we have seen indicates that his kit will rely heavily on his large health pool. The expose mechanic doing 20% damage based on Max health would likely destroy GG and his droid army. Who cares if his heath is 200k if you can land a string of hits triggering 3-5 exposes effectively killing the character before anyone else even moves. Can’t make money on Droideka and B1 if an old Resistance team can steamroll them.

I feel this is to be disgracing the zeta that people had previously invested into Finn prior to the introduction of c3po. When this "bug" was addressed, it was specified that both Finn and c3po (within the heroic AAT raid) were working as intended, however the issue lied within the way it worked against Traya's p3 toppled mechanic specifically. CG should be implementing a reimbursed zeta for the equivalent of the leadership for Finn just as they did with Old Daka's "serve again" unique zeta.

While Finn as a toon may be stronger; you nerfed what made him viable as a leader as well as the whole resistance squad under his lead, outside of Raids. Thanks for not refunding that Zeta

is there a mute option on these forums. Dk spam is getting annoying.