Update on zFinn Changes Coming Next Update [MEGA]

Any comparisons between the zFinn P3 team and the CLS P3 are not reasonable. The zFinn team could solo on auto after an easy setup (<5 minutes). The CLS team is very slow, and must be run on manual. Big difference between 5 minutes of effort and 1 hour of effort. And even with the teams that can auto-solo, they don't like infinite loops. (I guess the CLS team is a loop, but not an auto loop.)

I don't know, folks. I think there is promise in this new kit. Yes, you can only run him as a Resistance lead now, so gone are the ZFinn, CLS, Han, BB8, C3P0 days, but pop in RT and R2 or Poe and you've got a decent team. With Potency up and each Resistance member gaining 15%tm for EACH expose on them, plus the enemy losing 25%tm (this is assuming your team is all still alive, i know) if you spec for potency/speed, there is still an expose TM train going. Maybe not quite what it was, but that was the broken loop, right? All three of his other abilities are undeniably improved over what they are currently.

Yeah, I get it's a nerf, and I'm glad they are refunding the Zeta, and I probably won't put it back on Finn right away, but I don't think it is quite as doom-and-gloom as all that. There is a decent kit here. If a new toon came out with this kit, no one would blink once, and we'd all be talking about if this was a better lead than JTR. At the very least, I'm going to look at slotting him into my JTR team as a taunter/healer/cleanser who also has the potential to do decent damage and stun and expose. Not a bad utility toon.

I am also sad that I won't solo HAAT on auto or breeze through P3, of course. I can have both the feelings. ;)

"Keydash1;c-1817486" wrote:
Any comparisons between the zFinn P3 team and the CLS P3 are not reasonable. The zFinn team could solo on auto after an easy setup (<5 minutes). The CLS team is very slow, and must be run on manual. Big difference between 5 minutes of effort and 1 hour of effort. And even with the teams that can auto-solo, they don't like infinite loops. (I guess the CLS team is a loop, but not an auto loop.)

Why? They both have the same outcome, they both solo, sure, one is easy, one requires work, but the end goal is still the same, they both are infinite loops, and should both be treated the same

"Keydash1;c-1817494" wrote:

"GunnerFCm;c-1817489" wrote:
At the very least, I'm going to look at slotting him into my JTR team as a taunter/healer/cleanser who also has the potential to do decent damage and stun and expose. Not a bad utility toon.

I am also sad that I won't solo HAAT on auto or breeze through P3, of course. I can have both the feelings. ;)

I think this will be the new use for Finn. He looks like he will be a better healer than Holdo (especially for the many folks who haven't farmed Holdo). Too bad his damage doesn't ramp as much anymore, although the caps are only relevant for raids.

I believe you can solo HAAT almost as easily with RJT/BB8/C3PO/R2/Trooper, if you have your mods right. I tried it last night and only got 85% of P2 on that first try, but one of my guild mates (who never zetaed finn) does it every time.

That team can do P1 on Manual and auto P2-P4, don't need god mods for it, was able to get through P2 in just over 4 topples: https://swgoh.gg/squads/90439/3K9KDO6D4I/
I don't swap their mods around ever, so that's what I've been doing it with.


The real question is when is this nerf + refund coming. Imho, they either need to do it now before the GA roster lock occurs or wait until after the GA event ends entirely, otherwise we'll have a locked in Finn zeta change mid-way through the event which will 1) Mean we go in with one team, and then have an entirely different team once the event begins and/or 2) Having a zeta on a character where they remove the zeta from everyone's rosters getting refunded but also changed in the middle of GA where the event is supposedly locked will probably bug the *** out and mess up all of GA lol

"xGriiMErZ;c-1817495" wrote:

Why? They both have the same outcome, they both solo, sure, one is easy, one requires work, but the end goal is still the same, they both are infinite loops, and should both be treated the same

First of all, you wanted to know why Finn is being nerfed and CLS is not, and that is their reason (not mine).

It happens that I agree it is a good reason. Doing big damage on the most difficult PvE content in the game should be possible, but difficult. It should require high gear toons, good mods, play skill, and effort. The Finn team requires none of these.The CLS team might get by with lower gear/mods, but at the cost of greater skill and effort.

"Keydash1;c-1817481" wrote:

"majorjohn;c-1817416" wrote:
OK, I am a bit confused.

Previous proposed change is: Each time they damage an Exposed enemy, all Resistance allies gain 3% Turn Meter and the target enemy loses 5% Turn Meter for each Resistance ally.

Current proposed change is: If an enemy is damaged by a Resistance ally, for each Expose on them: That enemy loses 5% Turn Meter for each Resistance ally, all Resistance allies gain 3% Turn Meter for each Resistance ally.


Doesn't the new one cause more TM removal and TM gain (now based on the number of expose) ??? How would this prevent HSith P1 loop that they mentioned earlier?

Yes, it certainly looks like they actually improved this part. I'm guessing that the P1 issue wasn't really a loop. Rather, he just did so much ramping damage under RJT lead that they could easily solo. With the ramping capped, they can't anymore.

I reviewed it again, and I think the newest version added the "If an enemy is damaged by a Resistance ally", I guess they just make it impossible to use the combination of Resistance and Rebel. (like a current solo team)

"xGriiMErZ;c-1817512" wrote:

Finn team still requires good mods for potency, great rng because of natural tenacity, cls team does not, offence mods and no potency, if the ai was smart/you can set it, cls could auto by always calling c3po in with an assist skill, the difference is so tiny its a joke

You need 4 potency sets with potency crosses, but they don't need to be good. They could be all gray. I just throw on spare mods, I don't even remove potency mods with better secondaries from their normal users.

I watched the Bulldog video where he introduced the CLS team. He didn't at all make it seem like "the difference is so tiny its a joke". Rather, he made it sound like the team was a mind-numbing nightmare to play, and he was only doing it to demonstrate that it was possible.

"m0rality;c-1817513" wrote:
Frankly this is pretty unacceptable. Maybe they couldn't figure out a solution....but the issue is that players have spent WAY MORE THAN A ZETA. Many players have geared RP, Holdo and Poe to support a zFinn team for TW. This basically turns that into a steaming waste!!!! Why not give him some other leader ability that is worth it. This does NOT set a good precedent at all.

Interesting. Folks like MobileGamer were complaining for almost the opposite reason - that the beauty of the Finn zeta is that you got a useful team without having to invest gear. Without the old zeta, those lower gear toons would be useless. In fact, there was a general agreement among the gamechangers that the new Finn might be okay (in different ways), but you would now need him geared up.

Is this TM removal unavoidable?

"T4NM4N26;c-1817560" wrote:
Is this TM removal unavoidable?

no, it goes through a potency check.