Vader lead vs Krennic lead

"Barhebraeus;869983" wrote:

"7AnimalMother;869945" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869921" wrote:

"Karek77;868359" wrote:
between EP and Zader, EP still wins

I've tried both--my Vader also being zeta-ed--and EP is still better ... at least for arena. Zader lead is great fun--and very deadly--in the raids, though.

Depends what you face in arena. Zader is superior for battling the Chaze and Zarris cancers.

With superior mods, perhaps ... but Chirrut will feed his team off of Zader's DoTs, and if he's protected by Baze or other taunters .. well, good-bye Zader team.

Incorrect, like really wrong. I have never lost to a chaze team since I started runnig a Zader sqaud. Do you know what thos dots/hots mean for boba? and that include Barriss zeta teams with Chaze.

"Barhebraeus;869983" wrote:

"7AnimalMother;869945" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869921" wrote:

"Karek77;868359" wrote:
between EP and Zader, EP still wins

I've tried both--my Vader also being zeta-ed--and EP is still better ... at least for arena. Zader lead is great fun--and very deadly--in the raids, though.

Depends what you face in arena. Zader is superior for battling the Chaze and Zarris cancers.

With superior mods, perhaps ... but Chirrut will feed his team off of Zader's DoTs, and if he's protected by Baze or other taunters .. well, good-bye Zader team.

This is why all (good) Zader teams run Boba. Chirrut means you've got guys getting one shot left and right.

"RAYRAY;870042" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869983" wrote:

"7AnimalMother;869945" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869921" wrote:

"Karek77;868359" wrote:
between EP and Zader, EP still wins

I've tried both--my Vader also being zeta-ed--and EP is still better ... at least for arena. Zader lead is great fun--and very deadly--in the raids, though.

Depends what you face in arena. Zader is superior for battling the Chaze and Zarris cancers.

With superior mods, perhaps ... but Chirrut will feed his team off of Zader's DoTs, and if he's protected by Baze or other taunters .. well, good-bye Zader team.

Incorrect, like really wrong. I have never lost to a chaze team since I started runnig a Zader sqaud. Do you know what thos dots/hots mean for boba? and that include Barriss zeta teams with Chaze.

Yeah, Zader w/ boba is the single best Chaze killer right now. Chirrut uses force wills, dots auto-reapply, and then Boba absolutely wrecks chirrut. Baze can't protect him from Boba...

"DarthZannaH;870003" wrote:

"Karek77;868359" wrote:
between EP and Zader, EP still wins

Until you face a 220+ speed Vader Zeta with 250+ speed TFP/Boba (my team).

"RAYRAY;870042" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869983" wrote:

"7AnimalMother;869945" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869921" wrote:

"Karek77;868359" wrote:
between EP and Zader, EP still wins

I've tried both--my Vader also being zeta-ed--and EP is still better ... at least for arena. Zader lead is great fun--and very deadly--in the raids, though.

Depends what you face in arena. Zader is superior for battling the Chaze and Zarris cancers.

With superior mods, perhaps ... but Chirrut will feed his team off of Zader's DoTs, and if he's protected by Baze or other taunters .. well, good-bye Zader team.

Incorrect, like really wrong. I have never lost to a chaze team since I started runnig a Zader sqaud. Do you know what thos dots/hots mean for boba? and that include Barriss zeta teams with Chaze.

Can you guys link your swgoh profiles? About to get my first zeta and 95% sure I'm going to put it on Vader.

"Maegor;870156" wrote:

"DarthZannaH;870003" wrote:

"Karek77;868359" wrote:
between EP and Zader, EP still wins

Until you face a 220+ speed Vader Zeta with 250+ speed TFP/Boba (my team).

"RAYRAY;870042" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869983" wrote:

"7AnimalMother;869945" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869921" wrote:

"Karek77;868359" wrote:
between EP and Zader, EP still wins

I've tried both--my Vader also being zeta-ed--and EP is still better ... at least for arena. Zader lead is great fun--and very deadly--in the raids, though.

Depends what you face in arena. Zader is superior for battling the Chaze and Zarris cancers.

With superior mods, perhaps ... but Chirrut will feed his team off of Zader's DoTs, and if he's protected by Baze or other taunters .. well, good-bye Zader team.

Incorrect, like really wrong. I have never lost to a chaze team since I started runnig a Zader sqaud. Do you know what thos dots/hots mean for boba? and that include Barriss zeta teams with Chaze.

Can you guys link your swgoh profiles? About to get my first zeta and 95% sure I'm going to put it on Vader.

Same name as forum

"fascizio;870137" wrote:

"RAYRAY;870042" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869983" wrote:

"7AnimalMother;869945" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869921" wrote:

"Karek77;868359" wrote:
between EP and Zader, EP still wins

I've tried both--my Vader also being zeta-ed--and EP is still better ... at least for arena. Zader lead is great fun--and very deadly--in the raids, though.

Depends what you face in arena. Zader is superior for battling the Chaze and Zarris cancers.

With superior mods, perhaps ... but Chirrut will feed his team off of Zader's DoTs, and if he's protected by Baze or other taunters .. well, good-bye Zader team.

Incorrect, like really wrong. I have never lost to a chaze team since I started runnig a Zader sqaud. Do you know what thos dots/hots mean for boba? and that include Barriss zeta teams with Chaze.

Yeah, Zader w/ boba is the single best Chaze killer right now. Chirrut uses force wills, dots auto-reapply, and then Boba absolutely wrecks chirrut. Baze can't protect him from Boba...

Yup. Zader + Boba basically eliminates Chaze teams. Zader's DOTs create Chirrut HOTs and cause Boba's execute to make Baze and then Chirrut go bye bye. >:)

They just need to come out with Palps zeta already. Add a 20% chance to daze from empire toons and 20% chance to stagger for Sith.

"scuba;868276" wrote:
Not sure if you currently use Vader or not but Vader lead tmr is currently bugged and removing tm when it shouldn't

I know tfp is bugged and I think it's tfp doing a check on who has debuffs when calculating his damage potential. Those checks can also be dodged and trigger on dodge effects ala obi/dooku. The allies who cause Vader's own players to lose tm may balance this out when fixed.

To me, it's all about the aoe. Chainging 4-6 attacks in a row isn't too difficult. It would be hard for krennic to usurp Vader lead.

I think Zader, krennic, dt +2 will be where it's at. Up to the player to decide the two. I can see b2, shore, sid, ep, boba, tfp, and gk all filling in for the final two slots.

"Barhebraeus;869983" wrote:

"7AnimalMother;869945" wrote:

"Barhebraeus;869921" wrote:

"Karek77;868359" wrote:
between EP and Zader, EP still wins

I've tried both--my Vader also being zeta-ed--and EP is still better ... at least for arena. Zader lead is great fun--and very deadly--in the raids, though.

Depends what you face in arena. Zader is superior for battling the Chaze and Zarris cancers.

With superior mods, perhaps ... but Chirrut will feed his team off of Zader's DoTs, and if he's protected by Baze or other taunters .. well, good-bye Zader team.

The dots stay and Bobba will one shot them due to all buffs and debuffs. You have to take Vader (Zeta), Barriss (Zeta), Tank, EP, Bubba. It works well and it is fun. Chirrut and Baze team are easy to beat. Defense not so good since you can focus on Bubba and get him out of the picture quick.

"Nebulous;870358" wrote:

"scuba;868276" wrote:
Not sure if you currently use Vader or not but Vader lead tmr is currently bugged and removing tm when it shouldn't

I know tfp is bugged and I think it's tfp doing a check on who has debuffs when calculating his damage potential. Those checks can also be dodged and trigger on dodge effects ala obi/dooku. The allies who cause Vader's own players to lose tm may balance this out when fixed.

I agree it is really 2 separate bugs.
Tfp unique is bugged making it look like damage when checking for debuffs. This triggers different things depending on leads
Vader lead is bugged giving tm when opposing empire characters use abilities that affect own teams health.

It could potentially be bigger issue as krennic will also always check the opposing team for debuffs, maybe Dt also since he copies krennic unique, and if it is done in the same way as tfp you could again see the same issue depending on leads.

So you could under vader lead have tfp, krennic and Dt all removing tm from the entire opposing team with out using an AoE.

As for the Vader lead bug image every time Dt scores a crit, heals krennic and also krennic loses 20% tm.