We need a toon with passive heal block.

"Crazylazyguy;c-1056893" wrote:

"Wildcats1203;c-1056881" wrote:

"Crazylazyguy;c-1056865" wrote:

"Wildcats1203;c-1056859" wrote:

"Neo2551;c-1056849" wrote:
We also need a toon with passive Annihilate, passive cleanse whenever an ally takes turn, passive shock, passive ability block, passive tenacity up and passive revive as well.

We have like three of those... OP isn't out of line at all. Not sure why you're being so sarcastic.

Because he is being out of line. You have Palpatine with shock on his basic, you have Anakin with buff immunity/health immunity on his basic, you have Sidious with health immunity on his basic, you have b2 with buff dispel and buff immunity, what exactly is it that you want? If anything those abilities are far better than putting health immunity on a random toon..

Have you ever actually fought one of these teams? They have three cleansers. You're only using Palpatine or Sid in arena if you're running a Zaul team. There's no way you're winning with a Zaul team now that R2 is out. Anakin only has 70% chance for HI/BI. On the occasion you actually land it, its cleansed immediately. Against a Rex lead, B2 just feeds the other team TM. An irresistible HI like Darth Nihilus' would cause the triple cleanse team to burn through all of its cleanses immediately, and Anakin would actually be a decent counter.

*Sigh* I am kind of bored of writing the same thing to all of those posts. Those team are not unbeatable. You need someone to dispel that annoying tenacity that Rex gives them in the beginning. And then you need someone to inflict an aoe stun or ability block. Well guess who can do that. Baze or B2 can dispel the problematic first tenacity up. Boba or Palpatine ca stun or ability block them. Is there RNG involved? Of course there is.

Also your whole idea is based on the fact that those toons will waste their dispels on an irremovable effect. What actually makes you believe that, the devs won't simply set a new rule to the A.I., that such negative effects, shouldn't be cleansed? Then what?

I said irresistible, not uncleansable. Second, try running a team with EP and B2 in high-end arena. Let me know how that goes. You won't drop any less than 50 spots overnight.

"Wildcats1203;c-1056907" wrote:

"Crazylazyguy;c-1056893" wrote:

"Wildcats1203;c-1056881" wrote:

"Crazylazyguy;c-1056865" wrote:

"Wildcats1203;c-1056859" wrote:

"Neo2551;c-1056849" wrote:
We also need a toon with passive Annihilate, passive cleanse whenever an ally takes turn, passive shock, passive ability block, passive tenacity up and passive revive as well.

We have like three of those... OP isn't out of line at all. Not sure why you're being so sarcastic.

Because he is being out of line. You have Palpatine with shock on his basic, you have Anakin with buff immunity/health immunity on his basic, you have Sidious with health immunity on his basic, you have b2 with buff dispel and buff immunity, what exactly is it that you want? If anything those abilities are far better than putting health immunity on a random toon..

Have you ever actually fought one of these teams? They have three cleansers. You're only using Palpatine or Sid in arena if you're running a Zaul team. There's no way you're winning with a Zaul team now that R2 is out. Anakin only has 70% chance for HI/BI. On the occasion you actually land it, its cleansed immediately. Against a Rex lead, B2 just feeds the other team TM. An irresistible HI like Darth Nihilus' would cause the triple cleanse team to burn through all of its cleanses immediately, and Anakin would actually be a decent counter.

*Sigh* I am kind of bored of writing the same thing to all of those posts. Those team are not unbeatable. You need someone to dispel that annoying tenacity that Rex gives them in the beginning. And then you need someone to inflict an aoe stun or ability block. Well guess who can do that. Baze or B2 can dispel the problematic first tenacity up. Boba or Palpatine ca stun or ability block them. Is there RNG involved? Of course there is.

Also your whole idea is based on the fact that those toons will waste their dispels on an irremovable effect. What actually makes you believe that, the devs won't simply set a new rule to the A.I., that such negative effects, shouldn't be cleansed? Then what?

I said irresistible, not uncleansable. Second, try running a team with EP and B2 in high-end arena. Let me know how that goes. You won't drop any less than 50 spots overnight.

You're going onto a completely different topic. Stop changing the subject. This topic was about the problem with 3 cleansers, not how good the team is on the defensive. You wanted to know how to BEAT the triple cleanse teams, I told you. If you want to stay in the top 10, the get the exact same team, you will always lose when you're the one defending the spot if the same team goes against you.

"Crazylazyguy;c-1056865" wrote:

"Wildcats1203;c-1056859" wrote:

"Neo2551;c-1056849" wrote:
We also need a toon with passive Annihilate, passive cleanse whenever an ally takes turn, passive shock, passive ability block, passive tenacity up and passive revive as well.

We have like three of those... OP isn't out of line at all. Not sure why you're being so sarcastic.

Because he is being out of line. You have Palpatine with shock on his basic, you have Anakin with buff immunity/health immunity on his basic, you have Sidious with health immunity on his basic, you have b2 with buff dispel and buff immunity, what exactly is it that you want? If anything those abilities are far better than putting health immunity on a random toon..

Good luck on defense when none of them know who to target. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. This would clearly balance the game out with out being OP.

This is why people should be required to post their database links to comment on here. Gaurenteed he is playing around down in the 50's. Squads need a buff on defense. Passive uniques are the best way to do that. They play the same on offense and defense.

What some players fail to realize is, at high end arena, it's about defending, not just winning on offense. We understand how to defeat those heroes. We want a way to actually defend our ranking.

Passive uniques are very good. I'm on board with them so long as they are active only while the hero who brings it is alive.

I also like the idea of double-edged swords that @Alsend_Drake mentioned. That way it's not just use the anti-heal with a heal focused team.

As toons gain more convoluted skill kits, the more of a liability they are on defense. I like the idea of passive uniques used to help balance.

"Wildcats1203;c-1056891" wrote:

"Rosstheboss89;c-1056884" wrote:
People moaning about chaze and zylo on here all the time. Gets a bit boring, everyone has had there turn, their not even meta so I don't understand the fuss at all

"Their not even meta"
Well, if you think that your input is irrelevant. Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about, or how to use the proper they're.

+1

"Wildcats1203;c-1056891" wrote:

"Rosstheboss89;c-1056884" wrote:
People moaning about chaze and zylo on here all the time. Gets a bit boring, everyone has had there turn, their not even meta so I don't understand the fuss at all

"Their not even meta"
Well, if you think that your input is irrelevant. Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about, or how to use the proper they're.

Isn't funny how people have found 2 random non meta toons to complain about?

"Olddumper;c-1056931" wrote:

"Crazylazyguy;c-1056865" wrote:

"Wildcats1203;c-1056859" wrote:

"Neo2551;c-1056849" wrote:
We also need a toon with passive Annihilate, passive cleanse whenever an ally takes turn, passive shock, passive ability block, passive tenacity up and passive revive as well.

We have like three of those... OP isn't out of line at all. Not sure why you're being so sarcastic.

Because he is being out of line. You have Palpatine with shock on his basic, you have Anakin with buff immunity/health immunity on his basic, you have Sidious with health immunity on his basic, you have b2 with buff dispel and buff immunity, what exactly is it that you want? If anything those abilities are far better than putting health immunity on a random toon..

Good luck on defense when none of them know who to target. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. This would clearly balance the game out with out being OP.

This is why people should be required to post their database links to comment on here. Gaurenteed he is playing around down in the 50's. Squads need a buff on defense. Passive uniques are the best way to do that. They play the same on offense and defense.

@Olddumper

Google is your friend:

https://swgoh.gg/u/neo2551

I don't know... Average arena rank #1 for the past 30 days (without Chaze) on a January 2016 shard.

"Nebulous;c-1056966" wrote:
What some players fail to realize is, at high end arena, it's about defending, not just winning on offense. We understand how to defeat those heroes. We want a way to actually defend our ranking.

Passive uniques are very good. I'm on board with them so long as they are active only while the hero who brings it is alive.

I also like the idea of double-edged swords that @Alsend_Drake mentioned. That way it's not just use the anti-heal with a heal focused team.

As toons gain more convoluted skill kits, the more of a liability they are on defense. I like the idea of passive uniques used to help balance.

Yes exactly. Rex and Zaul teams defend well because they rely on RNG based mechanics that you don't need to control. For there to be a serious counter to them, that team needs to be able to defend against them.

All teams are bad on defense. WAI.

You have to be active to maintain arena position day to day. WAI.

You have to spend crystals to refresh to move up after the bad AI lost 12 times on defense against teams you crush on offense. WAI.

You have to spend crystals to snipe and lock out. WAI.

TL;DR Offense uses crystals that wouldn't be needed if teams could hold on defense. WAI.

"Nikoms565;c-1056972" wrote:
All teams are bad on defense. WAI.

You have to be active to maintain arena position day to day. WAI.

You have to spend crystals to refresh to move up after the bad AI lost 12 times on defense against teams you crush on offense. WAI.

You have to spend crystals to snipe and lock out. WAI.

TL;DR Offense uses crystals that wouldn't be needed if teams could hold on defense. WAI.

But some teams are better than others at defending and the meta naturally gravitates towards those.