When will we finally hear something about the skill squish in gac?
More and more players fall out of kyber 1. (Guess we'll be somewhere around 1000 now) Everyone knows the reason is an error in the calculation of the skill squish at the start of each gac season, but it is ignored by cg so far. No post, no reaction in all previous forum posts about this issue. Even the 50th ranked player is only 260 skill points above relegation now. If you are in the top 900, a loss in first round will already throw you down to kyber 2. I believe it starts to hurt even the top players now.
"TVF;c-2413319" wrote: correct me if i'm wrong divisions are based on SR squish reduces everyone's SR in k1 how could the squish not affect how many people are in k1
Only if the squish algorithm accounted for the division cutoffs and population %, which apparently it doesn’t.
What?
You go below 3610, you drop out of K2. The squish pushes everyone in k1 down, and anyone near that cutoff point will be in K2 because of the squish.
"TVF;c-2413319" wrote: correct me if i'm wrong divisions are based on SR squish reduces everyone's SR in k1 how could the squish not affect how many people are in k1
Only if the squish algorithm accounted for the division cutoffs and population %, which apparently it doesn’t.
What?
You go below 3610, you drop out of K2. The squish pushes everyone in k1 down, and anyone near that cutoff point will be in K2 because of the squish.
Yes.
However if the algorithm was run division by division, and actually squished the top 2% above the 3610 rating, the next x% between the next division ratings, etc, etc, it could not affect how many people are in k1.
Better yet, get rid of squish and just make the skill ratings a diminishing returns formula based on current skill rating, since it seems like that’s the intent behind squish IMO.
"Screerider;c-2413260" wrote: This shows the Squish didn't change their Division, since they're still in K1. They're also getting a benefit of K1 rewards for having a K2 Skill Rating.
I think it just means this person ended up in K1 based on the Skill Rating ranges for the last Season, but they did not end up in the Top 2% of players, which is what K1 should be. So when the new Season lines were drawn, not being in the Top 2%, they end up with a K2 ranking. But benefit from K1 status for an additional time, which is nice.
It’s exactly the example you asked for tbf: while it didn't change division when squish was applied, you could actually win your next battle (increasing skill rating) and be demoted. It’s a delayed relegation, as I will finished in K2 after first round, win or lose. It also means i need to score 6-3 to stay in K1 this season, even if i finished in K1 last season. I’m not complaining though, it it what it is.
You're right it's what I asked for. Thanks for that. It showed what I thought about the Squish not causing demotions, but I see how after the first match, demotions could then occur.
This is what I was saying. You don't get demoted when the squish happens, but after the first match, even with a win you could get demoted. That is just not right. A win should not give a demotion
Not mine, from a guild member
"Congratulations on defeating" and "Relegation" should never be in the same message.
So yes technically CG didn't lie when the squish happens you won't change division, what they left out is after the first battle even if you win you may drop.
"pinguinbooks;c-2413195" wrote: Here's the offical statement from cg, when they implemented the skill squish... It says it will not change what devision or league you are in. If the squish reduces kyber 1 by 90% it surely has a sgnificant impact for players throwing them out of k1. The squish is supposed to change not much except the purpose of keeping players competitive by closing the skill points gap.
Well, *if* the code first assigns the Divisions and *then* applies the Squish, then the Squish isn't the process that's changing the Divisions.
I think another part is that while it didn't change division when squish was applied, you could actually win your next battle (increasing skill rating) and be demoted. Winning should never result in a demotion.
Yup, been there. Skill squish pushed me so far out of the division I finished in (point wise) that I ended up relegating to a lower division despite winning my first match of the new season. It's so stupid.
Skill squish in kyber 1 is 100% real. I used to be in kyber 1, lose 1 battle and drop to kyber 2. I would have to win 3 to 6 battles in a row to get back up to kyber 1. I completely gave up on it because of how ridiculous it is. There's no reason that if you lose one battle out of 5 you get demoted. I have won when I was low in kyber 1 and got demoted to kyber 2 because I missed the threshold by less then 10 points.
Cg won't do anything about it, it is what it is. And it's not a huge difference in crystals on a weekly basis. Only part that hurts is end of event pay outs.
"pinguinbooks;c-2413422" wrote: Has it ever occured to anyone, that when gac starts the old skill rating determines the league. Afterwards the squish applies (so it appears everyone is still in their old league). Only after the first time leagues are calculated after! the squish we see massive drop in kyber1. The rest of the gac season the kyber 1 size won't really change much anymore.
That's kinda the point. They were disingenuous when they said squish won't change your league, cause while that's technically true, people get squished below the demotion line and then even winning sometimes isn't enough to get them above it
This GAC there is less than 1300 people that started above the squish line
Why are we even talking about rankings? They mean nothing. Your SR is what gets you into a division not your ranking. Being moved down a division decreases your crystal income regardless of your ranking. The ranking argument is completely irrelevant.
"scuba;c-2413374" wrote: This is what I was saying. You don't get demoted when the squish happens, but after the first match, even with a win you could get demoted. That is just not right. A win should not give a demotion
Or, look at it as a free week of K1 rewards.
How so? When you get demoted you get the rewards of the division you dropped down to/the lower reward. They changed that a while ago. Haven't you noticed? You no longer get the rewards of the division you started in for the rest of the week.
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