"Its_not_a_moon;c-2093832" wrote:
YaeVizsla yes most of the legends had to go if there were to make a new movie after episode 6, even if it was george Lucas himself writing and directing it .
Here is the thing most of stuff in legends didnt have a multi billion dollar company behind it, sure you needed to skip a lot of things in legends, but non of them took a huge dump on Luke, yes they made him the most over powered god in the universe, but they didn't turn him into pessimistic and hopeless old man that says jedi must end, my main man Mark Hamill himself said that Luke was the most optimistic and hopeful guy and this is the new generation of star wars where jedis give up.
Palpatine coming back in legends was stupid, same in rise of Skywalker, they should had just let him be dead, bringing him back just undermined episode 6.
I think having the movie made after episode 6 was a big mistake, let the old characters be what they were, maybe do an animated film where they just need to voice act or even cast other people to voice them and it will lead to what ever they were planning, instead they went with the original characters and brought back palpatine because some genius thought it would be really funny to ruin episode 7 and kill of its main villain and axe off the back story of the main hero.
Now with Kathleen Kennedy basically getting the boot from the new CEO of disney, I'm excited and hopeful for the future of star wars. I'm sure the first order and resistance will be as well remembered as jarjar.
I fail to see what the budget has to do with any of this.
Mark Hamill may have used "most optimistic and hopeful guy" as a lens for how he acted the character, but that description is
not Luke. "Soon I will be dead and you with me," is not the most optimistic and hopeful plan. You complain about this new generation of Star Wars where Jedi give up, but that's literally how two out of three of the original trilogy movies end.
Empire Strikes Back ends with Luke attempting suicide. That's not an escape attempt when he jumps down the bottomless pit. That's a suicide attempt that failed.
At the end of Return of the Jedi, Luke's plan A going to the Death Star to get blown up by the Rebels when the Death Star goes down. That, "Soon I will be dead, and you with me. Not a glorious, heroic sacrifice for the greater good. Just a casualty, accomplishing... not much but trying to get through to his father. The father who he also expected to get blowed up with the Death Star. And then? After fighting with pops, and realizing he couldn't win without turning to the dark side? Luke gave up. He surrendered. That was not a clever ploy to defeat the Emperor. It was abject surrender, fully expecting Sheevy P to kill him. He is ultimately saved by the connection he formed with Vader, but that was a sudden rescue. Not the plan.
Luke in the OT is a whiny, brooding, angry, sensitive boy much like his father before him. He shoulders burdens too big for him to bear, he is quick to place blame especially on himself, and he is quick to give up. Yoda calls him out on that last part, when he gives up (there's those words again) trying to lift the X-Wing. Then
after that lesson and his suicide attempt, he gives up on his Jedi training, not going back for THREE YEARS.
This carried on into the EU. Two of the first major story arcs that defined the EU were the Thrawn trilogy and Dark Empire. In Dark Empire, Palpatine comes back and Luke concludes that he can't defeat him with the light side, so he surrenders, turns to the dark side, and agrees to become Palpatine's apprentice so that he can learn from and eventually defeat him. Then Palpatine's beaten, Luke turns back to the light, and once again the day is saved thanks to the Powerpuff Girls, but still one of the first things Luke did in the EU was become Palpatine's apprentice.
Worship is not respect. Super Saiyan Luku is not respect. And acknowledging a character's faults is not "taking a dump" on the character. In his youth, Luke was a starry-eyed hippy who didn't know how to deal with his darker nature in a healthy way and it regularly got the better of him. In his old age, he's a bitter old sociology professor left damaged and traumatized by the horrors of war and disillusioned with the possibility of change but given hope by the new generation, to rise up and become the hero we all knew was still in there one final time when the galaxy needs him most. That's a consistent throughline that is true to the character's roots and portrayal in the OT, and absolutely respectful of the legend and the legacy of Luke Skywalker.
You know what's also pretty well established in the setting? Leave any Jedi to their own devices long enough and if they don't die, they'll probably become a crazy, bitter old hermit. It's basically the Jedi retirement plan. Why is it surprising Luke goes the same way?
On a thematic level, particularly in visual media, The Galaxy Far Far Away is not a setting where daddy knows best and will step in to fix all your problems. It is a setting where the older generation has made terrible mistakes, has dumped the burden on the shoulders of the younger generation, and it is on the younger generation to grow beyond their elders to deal with that burden. One of the greatest failures of Legends is that it never really let itself grow beyond Luke Skywalker. For a Star Wars story to move forward, that core theme requires a new generation to confront and bear the burdens of Luke's failures and grow beyond him.
If you want to know what taking a dump on a character looks like, look no further than Courtship of Princess Leia. A prince comes to Leai with the biggest dowry in the galaxy asking for her hand in marriage. Han feels threatened because Leia is being polite about it, so he shoots her with a mind control laser to force her to go on a date with him to a planet he won in a card game despite it being deep in Imperial remnant territory and blockaded by an entire fleet, and continues along those lines the entire book. That is how he ultimately convinces Leia to marry him in the EU. And this is not some irrelevant side-story. Courtship is a hub book around which a lot of plotlines revolve. The Hapes cluster, one of the major powers in the galaxy, is introduced in that book. The Nightsisters are introduced in that book in a big way. Han and Leia get married in Courtship. Warlord Zsinj, a major antagonist, dies in Courtship and down the line the X-Wing novels are literally crafted around that, using Zsinj as an antagonist in the years leading up to Courtship and dealing with the fallout after. And it just absolutely
butchers Han's character.
Stop pretending that the old EU was nobler, purer, or truer to the characters than Disney canon. It wasn't better in the good ol' days. There were no good ol' days. And today is not the abomination you make it out to be.
Capital Games Team
