Why equal TB rewards is bad for the game.

Y'all complain about everything

"ludwigsangina;d-128214" wrote:
Top spenders in lower-medium tier HAAT guilds will be incentivized to leave their guilds. This will result in loss of comradery and loss of sense of community, which will result in ....(fill in the blank).

I'm a relatively new player but a top 3 arena player, spent more on this game than 90 percent of people on this forum. I'm very unhappy with this situation. Unhappy players is bad for your business.

Suggestions: players who complete a certain percentage of the new raid will all be guaranteed enough g12 gear that they will be able to stay competitive in the arena with their competitors (who may spend less money than them but just be in "better" guilds).

Playing with the same people for almost a year and you're going to put me in this position EA? Shame on you.

No one is making you play the game. The day you leave, hundreds more join. They are looking at the long term health of the game. And not basing decisions strictly on making you or I happy directly. I think the same rewards across the guild is amazing. I think it will help build guilds. And as long as guilds are organized they will have a very realistic goal of what they can accomplish from the beginning.

"Draconis1972;c-1234046" wrote:

"AcoylteJPeg;c-1233242" wrote:
If your guild is already working well together and people only get rewards for participating, then there shouldn't be in issue. Equal rewards are better than the random placement when half your guild solos the Rancor and your top run doesn't even get you in the top 10 rewards.

I agree. My guild has structured the raids in such a way that everyone gets equal rotating chances at good rewards and is right now making sure those who do not have Han at 7* is able to

Players shouldn't have to do what devs should have implemented in the first place.
We have to work on tedious mechanics and schedules to compensate bad design, it's not up to guilds to balance raids rewards, definitely. ;)

After watching the new videos and the reward structure, it's not going to be as bad as people thought.

In one of the videos a dev made a pretty good point that was overlooked. He said a moderate guild can get 30 stars while getting the 45th star will be fairly difficult. Of course the the 45 has better rewards and a better prizebox, but the difference in tiers aren't that dramatic.

This is unlike HAAT where the weaker guilds got nothing at launch for quite a while while the mega guilds started getting GK shards fairly soon after launch. Since phase difficulty increases but you get the same rewards (just less of them), progress will be possible for moderate guilds right out of the gate. Just no more guilds with a few strong people carrying a bunch of weak ones since individual TB point contributions will be capped for all but the Deployment mission.

The prize and difficulty structure is great and doesn't mean the death of casual F2P players and guilds. There is more of an incentive to fill guilds to 50 people of similar GP than people jumping to stronger guilds especially if you don't have a strong roster yourself.

"theHejiN;c-1234326" wrote:

"Django_Fett;c-1233844" wrote:
I've never been a fan of how the raid rewards create an ever growing gap in progression between guilds. The top players will score top rewards and grow stronger and faster than lower scoring players who will undoubtedly be growing like a slug behind the gearwall.

Top scorers will get frustrated with HAAT because the bottom lot are nowhere near ready while the top lot is. This is what truly leads to players leaving guilds for stronger companions. I beleive that if raid rewards were to be generally even in terms of gear acquisition, there would be a lot less hopping from guild to guild.

When strong players leave your guild, this has nothing to do with the equalized rewards. That's more because the guild won't be ready to chew through every territory.

Just make your guild a place, where friends want to stay and play.

My post flew over your head.

Shh whiney.

"Boofpoof;c-1236071" wrote:

"Dretzle;c-1233254" wrote:
Guild: an association of people for mutual aid or the pursuit of a common goal

And yet, all content from guilds to date has been about guild competition. Guild activities, Rancor raid, Tank raid: All pit guild members AGAINST each other to try to maximize rewards. The only mutual aid has been ticket creation (so we can launch another competition) and gear donation (the only genuinely collaborative thing).

So I for one am glad that we finally have something meaningful that is actually collaboration and cooperation in a guild.

I got extremely lucky when I leveled up to Lvl 60 or 65 eons ago (If memory serves me correctly that was the level you had to be just to join a guild). An active guild that was struggling to beat T5 Rancors and the original Normal tanks were way too much to handle. Fast forward to today and we smoke Heroic Rancors in less than 30 minutes but still haven't been able to overcome the Phase 2 hump in HAAT (Jeezus the damage jump from normal to HAAT is HUGE especially on what it takes to kill those cannons). But the point I'm making is what you just defined Dretzle; An association of people for mutual support or the pursuit of a common goal. I could be totally wrong but I don't see our guild fracturing over this. We have players who are more than HAAT ready but have stuck with it for the greater good. If anything I see the event as shaving any dead weight we have. We've never punished people for not participating in raids (technically they're the ones losing out on free gear, credits, shards, etc.). That's the only thing I see changing for us is requiring participation because not participating hurts everyone involved.

This whole push for better guild participation is a good thing, in my opinion. I am just hopeful that some time soon we have better tools to manage said "participation".

- Guild chat is a joke. If a conversation "takes off" you can easily miss an officer's instruction or inquiry. For the Line/Discord users yes there's your answer but why doesn't the game give a better way to communicate. Allowing officers (and not just the guild leader) to change announcements would be a step. Being able to send private messages (to individuals and the guild as a whole with the ability to attach READ receipts) would be a gift from the Gods!!!

- A daily Raid ticket counter that actually works (Building a spreadsheet from the ground up to track tickets can be a pain in the butt but with no other tools at our disposal I took it upon myself to do this for my guild)

Just touching the tip of the iceberg for guild management but I am hopeful that this new raid solidifies us. I'm sure like many guilds there will be a transition and a purging of those that don't pull their weight but I don't see why that's a bad thing.

Well said. I think it will bring my guild together. We are all grown ups with a life outside this game. We enjoy swgoh as a game, not a lifestyle. I'm an officer and at least once a week or more am kicking an inactive or a new member breaking the zero damage raid rule. I want to play the game, not babysit 50 members. There definatly needs to be better chat and guild management tools.

"ludwigsangina;d-128214" wrote:
Top spenders in lower-medium tier HAAT guilds will be incentivized to leave their guilds. This will result in loss of comradery and loss of sense of community, which will result in ....(fill in the blank).

I'm a relatively new player but a top 3 arena player, spent more on this game than 90 percent of people on this forum. I'm very unhappy with this situation. Unhappy players is bad for your business.

Suggestions: players who complete a certain percentage of the new raid will all be guaranteed enough g12 gear that they will be able to stay competitive in the arena with their competitors (who may spend less money than them but just be in "better" guilds).

Playing with the same people for almost a year and you're going to put me in this position EA? Shame on you.

Flat rewards are much better for this problem than the current reward structure.

The problem with tiered rewards across the guild is that over an extended period these rewards gradually stratify the strength of guild members because internally tiered rewards are inherently zero sum -- someone getting first place means someone else getting less. If the least powerful members of a guild are earning less, and the strongest members are earning more, the difference in advancement rates pushes the strongest members way ahead of the weakest ones - it just takes months to demonstrate these dividends. Eventually this differential becomes insurmountable -- the stronger members are so far ahead that the weaker ones will never catch up. The weaker members become a liability to the stronger members who then have a strong incentive to leave the guild and join one where everyone else is at their level (where this stratification process starts again).

Basically, the reward structure created by raids makes the breakup of a guild inevitable (or at the least, a mass exodus). Flat rewards are FAR healthier for guilds in the long run and I applaud the developers for not only recognizing that, but actually doing it. I'll concede that the shock of the new system is likely to break guilds that are already on the verge of breaking because of the above problem - but this should come as no surprise.

Internal tiering already breaks guilds in the way you describe, but the shock subsides after the guild has grown strong enough to beat the hardest content. Basically, you won't observe the stress the reward schema puts on the social structure of the guild until the guild can't beat the new content -- but the guild will be rotting internally the entire time. Flat rewards do less damage to the relative power rating of members over time, which means a far lower chance that new content six months or a year down the line will expose the growing power differential in the guild and turn previously useful members into liabilities.

Ok...ok...ok...

I've been playing this game since Nov 15' changed OS in Jan 16' and currently have a galatic power of just over 2 million... im not a big spender, but ive bought some "good deals" and a few bad ones.

I started my guild when guilds came out, I've always sought to help newer players... because most advanced players are disloyal, guildhopping, backstabbing, gearhawgs... ive never really enforced any rules other than log in every 30 days... which has been uped to every 14 days now with TB coming.

My guild regularly does T7 pit 1 per week and a T4/5 per week. We do AAT only and are very close to starting our first HAAT. We have about 20-30 members participate in T7 & AAT... half of which are peeps in the 1 million+ galactic power range.

Bottom line is i have always ALWAYS said that this is a game we play to have FUN!

As a member of GOH community from launch, and a guild that has watched how so many purposefully leeched off other guilds to unlock GK... I am very happy to see that the rewards will be equalized... this means my guild can now directly help our newer members advance quicker and this is a good thing.

What im saying is my guild has progressed naturally, without unnaturally juicing our roster... and without any real type of rule enforcement... everyone has been very helpful and great team players. Sure some have left for mega guilds and unlocked GK. And thats not a bad thing...

My ulitimate point here is this... if you have GK unlocked and your commenting in this thread on how reward equalization is good or bad, your guild has done something to vastly increase its chances vs. HAAT. You are guilty of guild manipulation either directly or by association (being in that guild) and that my fellow forum readers means you have already willing and actively pursued a path that gets you better rewards faster...

Thus equalizing rewards only (mainly) helps the ones who have not actively tried to manipulate the rewards to there favor.

Dear OP, 19th century is long gone. If you don't like sitting around commoners, take your leave and join your "equals".
If yoy dont know what I mean, watch "Titanic" again.