Could you PLEASE look at your AI's use of "potency" in arena? Every time I go up against an EP lead, that EP stuns 4 or 5 of my team and when my mass shock is done, I mostly stun 1 or 2. My potency can be twice that of the AI's EP and still get outdone by mass shock almost every time. If I get 4 or 5 I'm shocked myself (no pun intended) because it happens so rarely. I can understand if the other EP has 90-100% potency. Got it. But when I'm facing teams where the enemy EP (whether Gear 10, 11, 12) has 30 or 40% potency and stuns 5 out of 5, that is broken RNG. It shouldn't happen nearly as much as it does.I even look at potency rates and tenacity rates. Hell I saw a CLS once with base potency stun 3 or 4 times against my team with 40ish% tenacity each. (I know, tenacity is BROKEN and they haven't fixed it yet.) Just very irritating to take a team that SHOULD be landing shocks, stuns, ability blocks, etc., and doesn't against a team that SHOULDN'T be landing shocks, stuns, ability blocks, etc., but does at a higher rate. The AI is favoring itself in RNG and it is tiresome. (Yes, that includes the fleet AI that does more than abuse RNG for itself.)If there's some other specific info that deals with that, I'd be happy to hear about it.

Sometimes I get zero stuns. Sometimes I get 5. RNG.

They have never admitted it, but we all know the AI is bolstered to make up for lack of a human player, instead of making the AI smarter. AI will crit above its average, resist above its average, evade above its average etc. Nature of the beast. WAI

"Whatelse73;c-1561334" wrote:"Poxx;c-1561183" wrote:Palpatine in a lead slot has 85% potency b4 any mods so unless u have toons w/ over 85% tenacity...again, b4 mods, u have a 15% chance to resist.Right, but again, if I have MORE potency from mods and base before that 85% hits, then I should be stunning 4-5 more often than I am. Especially since the AI's EP stuns 4-5 as often as I stun 1-2. It just tells me that the AI favors itself in RNG, way too much and that shouldn't be the case. I want to face another team and beat that TEAM. Not beat a suped up cheating AI.At a certain point, it doesn't matter who has more potency. Once you hit the base 15% chance to resist, that's that. EP has a 70% chance to stun, so 0.70*.085 = 59.5% chance to stun any given toon. Your brain pays more attention to when rng is against you.In your example of CLS, he gets 40% potency from his unique, so that would completely override 40% tenacity just there.

Here's how it actually works. Ignore anything else people tell you, it's just wrong.EP has a 70% chance to inflict stun when using his aoe. That means that 30% of the time, you won't even go to the potency/tenacity check, but it just won't happen.If it does apply, you go to the check. The way it's calculated is chance to resist, minimum 15%. That is, if tenacity-potency > 15%, than that's the chance to resist. If tenacity-potency

"Vendi1983;c-1561743" wrote:"Goodgil;c-1561438" wrote:Here's how it actually works. Ignore anything else people tell you, it's just wrong.EP has a 70% chance to inflict stun when using his aoe. That means that 30% of the time, you won't even go to the potency/tenacity check, but it just won't happen.If it does apply, you go to the check. The way it's calculated is chance to resist, minimum 15%. That is, if tenacity-potency > 15%, than that's the chance to resist. If tenacity-potencySo, for example:My Palpatine, as leader, is 120% potency. If he faces CLS with a 40% tenacity, there's a negative 80% chance to resist so they just default to a positive 15% resist chance? That's bull. Why bother with increasing potency?That's because some people zeta CLS who will receive 100% extra Tenacity. But yes, by default most EP have more than enough Potency already and don't need to mod for it. I don't even understand why people bother. It's as though they believe that Potency will help increase that 70%.

EP mass shock "potency" problem in RNG

Whatelse73
Seasoned Veteran
7 years ago
"Degs29;c-1561879" wrote:
"crzydroid;c-1561366" wrote:

At a certain point, it doesn't matter who has more potency. Once you hit the base 15% chance to resist, that's that. EP has a 70% chance to stun, so 0.70*.085 = 59.5% chance to stun any given toon.

This is your answer OP. The chance of you actually stunning all five toons even with crazy high potency is about 8%. Not much more than that for four.

As another mentioned by another poster, the AI may get buffed by the devs to counteract the fact that they lack human intuition, but that has never been confirmed. But if so, that may explain why the enemy palp shocks so many of your toons.

Yep, because the AI is programmed to cheat. lol
Whatelse73
Seasoned Veteran
7 years ago
"Degs29;c-1561874" wrote:
"Vendi1983;c-1561402" wrote:
The way I thought it worked was: (made up example)

Step 1: EP has 100% potency. Game randomly assigns a number between 1-100. Congrats. Stun will hit, but...

Step 2: Target has 35% tenacity. Game randomly assigns 1-100. If it's between 1-35, stun is resisted.

Hence why it's not just a direct 40% tenacity cancels 40% potency problem.

I don't know maybe I'm overly simplifying it or completely wrong but it would explain the "bad" RNG people talk about.

That's actually not how tenacity works. You'd think it's how it works, but it's not.

Basically, if you have more potency than their tenacity, their tenacity doesn't come into play at all. Even if they have 15% more tenacity than your potency, it doesn't come into play because you already always have a 15% chance to resist.

The chance to resist is Potency minus Tenacity (with a 15% minimum).

Thanks for the math, still just goes to show we aren't just facing the team, we're facing an AI with the ability to boost itself, cheat, do what it wants, etc. That's what irritates me about it. I might get all 5 stunned once in a day. The AI fights me and stuns all 5 in one match, then 4, then maybe 2, then 4/5 again, etc.

It could be worse I guess? It isn't as bad as the AI in fleet arena? :P
Maztoras
7 years ago
Ill say i believe AI does get boosted stats. Enemy AI..like palp on average always stuns more. 4 is about average. My ep....1-2. I face ep mirror all day...since thats only team anyone runs and that has been my observation.
Simpleminded17
7 years ago
The team works best with a lot of potency. Mostly on the rest of the team. I have always had more “RNG” LUCK using mass stun on only debuffed enemies. If there is a buff don’t except any stuns to land. That’s also why Vader and Ep make a great combo.
6the6bull6
7 years ago
So glad to finally ditch palp lead. I was tired of always losing the RNG match.
emvedebe
7 years ago
"JijackCana;c-1562563" wrote:
The team works best with a lot of potency. Mostly on the rest of the team. I have always had more “RNG” LUCK using mass stun on only debuffed enemies. If there is a buff don’t except any stuns to land. That’s also why Vader and Ep make a great combo.

the team actually rarely benefits from adding potency through mods.
Kanega101
7 years ago
This is really a sobering fact that cannot be explained with maths/statistics. I average about two shocks with my 76% (basic potency) EP (opponent has no significant heightened tenacity), and the A.I. enemy (around 40% potency) regularly scores an average of four on me. I really have no problem losing in a good fight, but this feels so much like cheating that it takes the fun out of it.
Whatelse73
Seasoned Veteran
7 years ago
"crzydroid;c-1561366" wrote:
"Whatelse73;c-1561334" wrote:
"Poxx;c-1561183" wrote:
Palpatine in a lead slot has 85% potency b4 any mods so unless u have toons w/ over 85% tenacity...again, b4 mods, u have a 15% chance to resist.

Right, but again, if I have MORE potency from mods and base before that 85% hits, then I should be stunning 4-5 more often than I am. Especially since the AI's EP stuns 4-5 as often as I stun 1-2. It just tells me that the AI favors itself in RNG, way too much and that shouldn't be the case.

I want to face another team and beat that TEAM. Not beat a suped up cheating AI.

At a certain point, it doesn't matter who has more potency. Once you hit the base 15% chance to resist, that's that. EP has a 70% chance to stun, so 0.70*.085 = 59.5% chance to stun any given toon. Your brain pays more attention to when rng is against you.

In your example of CLS, he gets 40% potency from his unique, so that would completely override 40% tenacity just there.

And, I understand that. All things being equal, our teams "should" be equal and my EP should mass shock 4 or 5 of the other team as often as the AI does it to me. However, that is not the case. My EP is shocking 1-2 most often, while your AI is shocking 4-5 most often. Since "it doesn't matter who has more potency", it means your AI is getting boosted, giving itself better odds, cheating, programmed to cheat, etc etc. :)
sfnever6
7 years ago
Same for me, my ep stun with higher potency 1-2 toon 80% of time, while enemy ep stun 4-5 of my toons 90% of the time... almost everytime my whole squad got stunned from ep without potency mod set,no potency on cross, and ep even not a leader in that squad :O I guess its just a bad rng which pursues me more than a month :neutral:
emvedebe
7 years ago
"Whatelse73;c-1566610" wrote:
"crzydroid;c-1561366" wrote:
"Whatelse73;c-1561334" wrote:
"Poxx;c-1561183" wrote:
Palpatine in a lead slot has 85% potency b4 any mods so unless u have toons w/ over 85% tenacity...again, b4 mods, u have a 15% chance to resist.

Right, but again, if I have MORE potency from mods and base before that 85% hits, then I should be stunning 4-5 more often than I am. Especially since the AI's EP stuns 4-5 as often as I stun 1-2. It just tells me that the AI favors itself in RNG, way too much and that shouldn't be the case.

I want to face another team and beat that TEAM. Not beat a suped up cheating AI.

At a certain point, it doesn't matter who has more potency. Once you hit the base 15% chance to resist, that's that. EP has a 70% chance to stun, so 0.70*.085 = 59.5% chance to stun any given toon. Your brain pays more attention to when rng is against you.

In your example of CLS, he gets 40% potency from his unique, so that would completely override 40% tenacity just there.

And, I understand that. All things being equal, our teams "should" be equal and my EP should mass shock 4 or 5 of the other team as often as the AI does it to me. However, that is not the case. My EP is shocking 1-2 most often, while your AI is shocking 4-5 most often. Since "it doesn't matter who has more potency", it means your AI is getting boosted, giving itself better odds, cheating, programmed to cheat, etc etc. :)

when it comes to an EP lead team and stuns, things are pretty much always equal given the base potency+lead bonus and the tenacity of all toons used in arena. So you're right about that.
I'm however willing to doubt that the AI is actually being boosted.