Is ship arena broke?

"Kirin;c-1606465" wrote:
Sadly even with the rework ship synergy is a joke. Running a FO squad would be awesome but the AI is set up wrong for both Kylo ships. I’d love to see Clone synergy but Rex’s ship just isn’t there yet. Rath I get what you are saying but there are still glaring bugs in fleet that are much worse than arena. Fleet RNG has always been broken and the new 2.0 has only exposed that flaw even further.

I am not arguing that is perfect by any means.

Game AI tends to be relatively simple, plenty of A but not a lot of I. They follow rules set by the developers. Sometimes players have the option to modify that say by selecting an option to favor offense vs defense but again, pretty simple.

In both fleet and squad arena, there are a lot of variablea in play and a lot of decisions a Human player makes that dictate success or failure and many of those decisions are made in combination. And in fleet arena specifically you have the added dimensions of capital ship abilitiea and reinforcements.

The game AI cannot match a knowledgeable Human's decision making and thus the attacker has the advantage. The same ia true in squad combat, it's just more obvious in fleet.

The best way to avoid RNG is to run a geo team it pretty much eliminates it. I had to ditch my tie fighters as they were too unpredictable. Also I have noticed that a lot of the under powered teams run Tarkins capital purely because it seems to work better under AI

Fleet GP doesn't mean much for several reasons. 6* capitol ships are usually good enough to climb into top 5 in fleet arena. The increase in GP from 6 - 7* capitol ship and especially the extra ship in the last reinforcement slot can make a difference of 50k GP with little to no impact on the fleet performance. If you have the time to call 4 reinforcements in a fleet battle you are doing something wrong.
Another 50k GP can be compensated by strategy, at least on offense. No fleet I've seen so far holds well on defense though, especially lineups that also build upon strategy and not just synergy are quite vulnerable on defense. If you look at the lineup in the screenshot and think about it, you'll realize that Scimitar and KRU is actually a very good combo. KRU is fast enough to stun one enemy before it moves (e.g. vader or Biggs) and retribution from Scimitar will lock down most ship that attack him afterwards. This cripples the offensive capabilites of the enemy and can easily compensate even a substantially lower GP across the ships being used. Now that doesn't work against all fleets but it does against old meta lineups and there are usually still plenty of them around.

"Rath_Tarr;c-1606459" wrote:

"Crazygone510;c-1606410" wrote:
I can see your argument and you do bring up a valid point regarding history. I can see it happening every now and then but not every single day. That's all Im trying to say. I just think the system is somewhat flawed. Like the OP said, what's the point of leveling gear and using resources to "improve" your fleet if the game allows someone who is far behind to just beat you?

One problem here is the power rating which completely fails to account for synergy between characters / ships. Not really surprising: with all the variables in play that is impractical if not impossible to do programmatically.

Those same variables make it difficult for a simple game AI to outmatch a Human and PVP in this game is really just PVE against a team picked by a Human.

I see similar things in Squad Arena where my mixed team needs a 20% power advantage vs high synergy teams like Phoenix and in fleet arena where my high synergy team and beat higher-powered teams.

But that synergy - certain character / ship combos working very well together is an intentional part of the game's design.

I agree 100% Synergy is most important and a big variable in battles. But what if it's the same fleet that you are using? And all your ships are very good with pilots in g12? Is that just RNG? And if it's RNG, why is it just slightly less powered fleets can't win in fleet battles?

And as far as power goes, that's just a way of showing the levels of gear, abilities, level of both pilot and ship, mods and so forth. Tanks have less power than others, capitol ships with more reinforcement slots will obviously have more power than those with less. That's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about losing against the same type of fleet as I am (little different reinforcement set up) with ships that are in some cases 10-15k less power than each in defense. G9 pilots with all skill levels at 4-5 beating g12 pilots with skill levels maxed with zetas just doesn't make any sense to me.

"DuneFlint;c-1606467" wrote:
Ships are not broken. People are trying to use the old meta because thats what ships they haf that were good. If you put effort into the new teams that gave synergy you would be fine.

What if both teams are using the same old meta then? Same thing happens......

"Crazygone510;c-1607004" wrote:
with zetas

Just so you know, zetas don't add much to your ships.

"Crazygone510;c-1607004" wrote:
I agree 100% Synergy is most important and a big variable in battles. But what if it's the same fleet that you are using? And all your ships are very good with pilots in g12? Is that just RNG? And if it's RNG, why is it just slightly less powered fleets can't win in fleet battles?

The difference is combination of choices and RNG. A Human player has far more flexibility in making choices, giving a smart player the edge against the AI.

I have beaten fleets up to 18k higher than mine. At that point there was a significant amount of RNG luck involved but had I not had a good fleet and made good choices I would have lost for sure. That same fleet with 20+k advantage had previously wiped the floor with me every time.

I regularly beat fleets 10k or so higher than mine with a combination of good fleet composition, good choices and to a lesser extent RNG. Those same fleets turn around and beat mjne when they are player controlled and mine is AI controlled.

"Rath_Tarr;c-1607020" wrote:

"Crazygone510;c-1607004" wrote:
I agree 100% Synergy is most important and a big variable in battles. But what if it's the same fleet that you are using? And all your ships are very good with pilots in g12? Is that just RNG? And if it's RNG, why is it just slightly less powered fleets can't win in fleet battles?

The difference is combination of choices and RNG. A Human player has far more flexibility in making choices, giving a smart player the edge against the AI.

I have beaten fleets up to 18k higher than mine. At that point there was a significant amount of RNG luck involved but had I not had a good fleet and made good choices I would have lost for sure. That same fleet with 20+k advantage had previously wiped the floor with me every time.

I regularly beat fleets 10k or so higher than mine with a combination of good fleet composition, good choices and to a lesser extent RNG. Those same fleets turn around and beat mjne when they are player controlled and mine is AI controlled.

10k-30k I have no issue with that because that's to be expected. But 50-100k less is another story.