Right to the point: has anyone done the math to determine whether it's better to give him a Crit Damage or Offense triangle? More detail: most of what Kylo does is spam Lash Out, which contains the following:This attack can't critically hit and deals bonus damage equal to 50% of Kylo Ren's critical damageBut that wording, as with so many abilities, could mean a couple different things, so it seems like Offense might actually win out, especially with relics granting huge offense boosts to attackers.SPREADSHEET DORKS, I SUMMON THEE.

"Jarvind;d-225492" wrote:Right to the point: has anyone done the math to determine whether it's better to give him a Crit Damage or Offense triangle? More detail: most of what Kylo does is spam Lash Out, which contains the following:This attack can't critically hit and deals bonus damage equal to 50% of Kylo Ren's critical damageBut that wording, as with so many abilities, could mean a couple different things, so it seems like Offense might actually win out, especially with relics granting huge offense boosts to attackers.SPREADSHEET DORKS, I SUMMON THEE.I would think 50% maxed CD on Kylo would be higher than max offense on him, no?Great question, I’d love to see the math on it too and how it scales based on relic level.

There are obviously other variables that go into the calculation but if you isolate that one would it not be(assuming that a CD set is being used giving an additional 30% CD)With a base dmg of 3000 and a CD primary of 42%3000 + 3000 * 2.22 * .5 = 6330orWith a base dmg of 3000 and an offense primary of 8.5%3000 + 3000 * .085 + ((3000 + 3000 * .085) * 1.8 * .5) = 6184.5So if my math is right the CD triangle would win out by a small margin which would hold with what you see on swgoh.gg with regards to the most used triangle primary for KR.I can do the math for an offense set but doing math on your phone in a coffee shop sucks.

Offense mods with CD triangle was highest avg. damage I saw on the graph floating around here. However, I would that would depend on the toon's kit. I would think though that across all gameplay offense will be better

"Mephisto_style;c-2074661" wrote:Offense mods with CD triangle was highest avg. damage I saw on the graph floating around here. However, I would that would depend on the toon's kit. I would think though that across all gameplay offense will be better Did you read the OP? To Jarvind, not exactly sure what to make of the mechanics on swgoh.ggI can't tell if this means it will apply flat offense equal to 50% of CD, or if it is an offense multiplier based on half of CD. If it is the 1st option, offense would definitely be better, but if it is a multiplier than I think the math says CD is better (extra 21% offense on a 6E triangle)

"littleMAC77;c-2074675" wrote:I can't tell if this means it will apply flat offense equal to 50% of CD, or if it is an offense multiplier based on half of CD. If it is the 1st option, offense would definitely be better, but if it is a multiplier than I think the math says CD is better (extra 21% offense on a 6E triangle)Yeah, this is pretty much where I had arrived in my head without checking the mechanics. I usually can't make heads or tails of the mechanic breakdowns on .gg because I don't know the syntax.

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ZapZapZipZap
5 years ago
"Train;c-2074710" wrote:
Math says Offense set with CD triangle.

Assumptions:
Given 3.5k physical offense not including set bonus or triangle (actual number is irrelevant, just an example)
Calculation based on swgoh.gg Lash Out mechanics:
- Base Damage Multiplier: 120%
- Additional Damage Multiplier: (Base CD + 50% + Mod CD%) * 50%

Level 5 Mods
Offense Set - Offense Triangle: 9308
Offense Set - CD Triangle: 9580
CD Set - Offense Triangle: 8709
CD Set - CD Triangle: 8855

Level 6 Mods
Offense Set - Offense Triangle: 9510
Offense Set - CD Triangle: 9700
CD Set - Offense Triangle: 8924
CD Set - CD Triangle: 8960

Offense set definitely the way to go from a damage standpoint. CD and Offense triangle are within 2-3% of each other, so not a big difference. This calculation does not include the effects of flat offense secondaries, which would marginally dilute the effect of the %offense bonuses (which would just make the CD triangle more optimal, but would not be (even close to) enough to overcome set bonus difference).

Does any of that change and possibly make another set better with each relic level, specifically based on his mastery?
Player_170mte2j
5 years ago
"ZAP;c-2074713" wrote:

Does any of that change and possibly make another set better with each relic level, specifically based on his mastery?

As I understand it, no.

The 'damage' (which is really increase in offense) and defense penetration from relic mastery would impact the actual damage output, but shouldn't change the relative difference.

The only things that should impact the trade-off is offense secondaries (both % and flat) and incomplete gear levels. The impact is not that much though, even with god tier secondaries.

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