Hey guys, especially made this account for this topic.In the very beginning I simply ran my best toons in the Arena, but that quickly became very difficult to win, so I then followed every good advice I got: farm Phoenix like crazy.Now I'm at lvl 78 and run a full 7 star Phoenix team (except that wretched Sabine) equipped up to my lvl.At first I began to win again and climbed up to rank 500 again, but lately I can't seem to win any battles anymore. All I encounter are teams with (a lot) more force points than myself, full Sith teams with Palpatines or teams with either Old Ben, Chirrut, Kylo Ren Unmasked or other pests. I Always try to avoid those. Even the Nightsister teams that I used to crush have now become very hard.Am I doing something wrong? Everyone keeps shouting Phoenix, but every team I come across seems to hard. I also heard something about "harder" and "easier" Arena groups? A friend of mine keeps hovering in the top 100, while his team has never been as good as mine. I never got to rank 400 before.

7* Phoenix team, that can't stay in top—500? That sounds like your team is either under—geared or poorly modded. Even though Phoenix can't compete in end—game top arena, they should still be able to do better than rank 500. How is your gear and mods compared to your opponents? Make sure that your guild raids often and do heroic tier raids (at least heroic pit raids — preferably heroic tank raids as well) to get gear. And if your mods are lacking you should spend some ressources farming/buying better mods. Good mods are a huge advantage over mediocre mods.However, even with good gear and mods Phoenix will struggle against several team compositions, f.ex.:Phoenix will make the eneny Vader ridiculously fast since they are 5 rebels and 2 jedi. You will struggle against EP lead Vader (Sith/empire) teams.Phoenix don't have enough debuffs/AoE to handle NS teams.You won't ever be able to just have a single arena team and stay in top forever. The META changes, and you need to change with it, if you want to stay competitive. In top—20, you will need to be on par with the changing METAs. at your rank (top—500) it will be a bit less stressfull — even though you will have to develop your team/roster just like your opponents do.

It's just Palpa/Vader, their rework basically gave everyone a complete counter to all the other teams, Nightsisters, Rebels, Jedi, they all fall to Palpa. Apparently the only counter to Palpa is Rex with Wampa + a bunch of legendaries which for new players like you and me it's obviously not feasible, best advice is to literally join the dark side and go palpa as well..

You're always chasing the carrot in this game. When/if you catch the carrot, a better carrot shows up. Once in a while you get lucky and find you already had the carrot, but that's rare.The most important part is to decide which carrot you want and only chase that one; you get nowhere chasing them all.Phoenix Squadron (PS) got hit pretty hard by the recent Palpenvader rework. Still a highly valuable starter squad though. Your decision now is to choose a new carrot. Chase the new Sith meta or find a faction that has the potential to become the next big thing. Maybe just pick one you like for fun.What do you think will be the counter to the new Sith and New Rey squads? Whatever it is, there will be some reworked old heroes plus some new characters involved.There is a tremor in the Force, a presence I've not felt since ...

"CoastalJames;c-1494442" wrote:Said it before- Phoenix are pretty darn good in every aspect of the game except Arena.This!If Penix were any good in Squad Arena, then everybody would just need to farm Penix and be done with the game. The meta must always change to force people to increase their collection. Or else it won't be Galaxy of Heroes anymore, just Galaxy of Penix.

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EPMAN13
7 years ago
go to Youtube and watch Warriors video´s, i did that and i have been top 20 arena and fleet since. Maybe its a little late ad the lvl you are now, but better now then never.
Player_7ctrhms9
7 years ago
Said it before- Phoenix are pretty darn good in every aspect of the game except Arena.
chfc220510
7 years ago
"Empiric1;c-1494423" wrote:
"CHFC22;c-1494089" wrote:
"Empiric1;c-1494088" wrote:
"cannon_fodder_jr;c-1494082" wrote:
Stormtrooper is also a decent Empire tank that's farmable at that level for the EP / Vader / Tarkin + 2 team. Shore isn't farmable for OP yet (for awhile, and it's a long long farm).

Not sure who he's working on, but TFP from cantina is also a good choice since he's very fast, provides buff immunity on AoE, which is good for NS, and has one of the most valuable ships, especially running under a Tarkin lead. KRU is also a potential fit as a dark side tank in EP teams and has the ship as well, but a 3* Sion probably works just as well, despite his star limitations. Tanks need gear more than anything else.

There is a lot to work on and you're not going to get everything the first time it comes around. Come up with a plan and don't stray from it. While farming the wrong thing can be bad, switching what you farm frequently just means you never finish anything.

Yeah but I dont know his roster, I'd take a 3 star shore over a 7 star storm

I have both at 7*.... Storm just about better as he gives expose. Both together are excellent under Thrawn lead.

You think storm is better than shore?

I think it's very close. Proof is in the pudding I suppose - I slipped less on defense and won more on offense using storm than I did with shore. Both 7*, both g11. I've moved away from using a tank now, but I think they are best both used, and under a zzthrawn lead.
YKMisfit
Rising Novice
7 years ago
I've found that ,while Phoenix is great and will carry you for a long while and help you out a great deal early on, once you've finished farming them to 7*, you should immediately start farming their arena replacements. That's pretty much how long you have until you start getting passed by other teams.

I've heard they get good again once you start putting zetas on them and top mods, but by that point, you'll have unlocked Thrawn, EP, and have all you need for Chimera, so it'll probably be time to move on.

If you haven't started with Phoenix and got them later in the game (like I did), you'll likely find them out last their usefulness sooner.
sharkley1981
7 years ago
Phoenix is very easy to farm F2P and very useful in a lot of events.
They can get you through GW and get you EP & Thrawn.
They also make a decent fleet.

They have been a workhorse for us new players.
Expecting them to be competitive at higher levels is asking too much.
Waquira
7 years ago
"Empiric1;c-1494087" wrote:
"Moorebid;c-1494083" wrote:
"Empiric1;c-1494059" wrote:
Did you get Thrawn as well?

If I were you I'd get Palpa Lead, Vader, Tarkin and if you don't have shoretrooper, Sion, 5th can be optional, would be easy if we could see your roster but most Empire or Sith characters would work, even a 3 star DN would be a nice team.

You'd crush all nightsister, rebels and phoenix teams with a setup like that.

Edit: If you got Thrawn, Palpa, Vader, Thrawn, Tarkin and Shoretrooper (if you don't have shoretrooper please post your roster, Darth Sion would work as well)

Yeah, I got Thrawn, but only at 5*

Any one feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but the only difference between a 5 star thrawn and 7 star is 2K health which is a hit from a wet noodle tank character.

All stat multipliers increase, which means increase in various offensive and defensive stats.
PhoenixMoore1982
Newcomer
7 years ago
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Here's the link to my roster: https://swgoh.gg/u/moorebid/collection/
DVZR
7 years ago
So are Phoenix viable with Kanan and Sabine Zeta? Those both seem pretty game changing for that squad.
BMDean
7 years ago
Phoenix are dominant in the lvl 50-75 zone while you are leveling because they generate so much protection. But as people start unlocking higher level abilities and more powerful characters, Phoenix really starts to level off and lose its usefulness in arena. Wedge-led Rebel squads with Biggs, Chirrut and Baze start to kill Phoenix easily. Palp/Vader squads counter it very effectively.

Put simply, Phoenix can carry you through mid levels, but as you start to approach lvl 75 and up, you need to be working on a more effective end-game squad.
DVZR
7 years ago
"Snowlock2017;c-1495185" wrote:
The sun is setting on Phoenix. They've been a great team for about a year now, but it looks like EA is trying to turn the endgame teams to other areas. I've spent about a year with Phoenix, and my Hera, Ezra, Kanan, Zeb and Sabine (yes, Sabine, not Chopper) are all G12, zeta'd. With them I can clear all rebel events, score as high as most teams in Pit and HAAT, and I've been as high as 3 on my shard in arena. They were great for clearing GW when it was hard and they can clear any encounter in TB.

In the arena, I first started to see their dominance of the Nihilus Sith Meta that was very prominent on my shard last winter/spring. After I started getting character's zeta'd, I was able to take on the CLS/R2 teams. I struggled only against Zeta-Finn resistance teams when I was on offense. Too much speed. Phoenix are inherently slow. GK/Barris was historically tough too since I can't dispel often. I destroyed NS teams from the second I started to see them.

Now I struggle to stay in the top 100. Phoenix have never been good on defense because Kannan's AI sux. But now there are many teams I have to steer clear of on offense. I absolutely cannot touch an EP team, with Vader or without. And that's about 1/2 to 2/3 of the teams on my shard right there. Also, Raid Han + Wampa will destroy my team, as will JTR teams. And I've never improved against Finn-lead resistance teams, though I don't see them much anymore. I can still beat 75% of the CLS/titans teams I encounter unless they're packing a super buffed Raid Han with GK.

And then there's the sith raid.... I don't think there's a worse team to take into that than Phoenix. My G12 zeta'd phoenix team does WORSE than my G9 no zeta not all even 7 stars, Sith team.

I'm working up an Empire team now just to keep relevant. My phoenix team are being relegated to the B-team.

Um Phoenix destroys Phase 2 (drop chopper and run both Ezra and Sabine). And for the same reason does pretty well in P4 after Nihlus is dead as long as Sion is alive. You will make it to enrage with full health and protection on everyone but Kanan. Sometimes he needs a backup plan. And Mine are only g8-g9.