The end of critical damage mod sets?

CD still hits a lot harder. So for characters like solo always go that route. Some like HK don’t crit (aoe) so offense is stronger. Ideally you want you roster balanced between the 2 sets with solid secondaries: speed, offense, offense %.

Since I usually play without my slide ruler and abacus handy, I usually simplify it to 3 rules:
1. Are they basically guaranteed a critical hit (scav Rey, Solo, etc)? Use critical damage.
2. Do they have low/no critical chance (HK, etc)? Use offense.
3. Do they have a hi, but not guaranteed critical chance (most attackers)? Use whichever set has the best primary/secondary combinations. This third rule is why my GMY is stuck with a CD set instead of offense, which would be slightly better if I had the mods to spare.

Some data to clarify both sets

Premises: only square and triangle mods taken into account as possible offense mods and no offense secondaries and Speed on both sets is same.

Formula used (mathematical expectation):
{(1-CC)*}+{CC*}=
{(1-CC)*}+{CC*}

In each case, we get the CC% at which both are equal. Above that value, CD is better, below that value, CC is better

Case 1: ModTriangle not %Offense and not CD for both. 6dot mods
CC = 59.88%

Case 2: ModTriangle is %Offense for both. 6dot mods
CC = 54.34%

Case 3: ModTriangle is CD for both. 6dot mods
CC = 80.00%

Case 4: ModTriangle is %Offense for offense set. CD for CD set. 6dot mods
CC = 35.4075%

You can change the data in the formula to acomodate more offense% mods adding where ModSquare is.
Base actually cancels out, unless you have linear +x offense mods. If you have them, you need to modify this part in each instance of the formula:
and use:
{ +x}
Anyway, this whole bracket is what you see in stats as P/S damage once you put the mods on, so it’s easy to Get this value.

Also, to take speed differeces into account, multiply each side by the corresponding speed value

I hope I haven’t made a mistake in any calculation

Critical damage is also "percent based mod set" and scales just fine with physical/special damage increase.

But it’s a fixed 42% percent on a fixed base percentage. Where as, as offense goes up the 15% is based off of a higher stat. Maybe it doesn’t make much difference, I’m not certain but first look suggested to be offense is better to go with now than CD.

yeah, g13 gives offense sets a very favorable boost vs CD. You do get higher CC with some characters at g13 so it's easier to reach the CC break point. But in some scenarios (eg boba under his leadership and FOTP under KRU leadership) offense is now better than CD even at 100% crit chance.

You'll have to calculate it on a character by character basis though. The easiest is to put your best offense set available on and your best CD set available on and then just calculate the average damage per hit for your specific gear and mods. Most of the time the differences are pretty small though

"Vos_Landeck;c-1906326" wrote:

"Rosstheboss89;d-208288" wrote:
On a g13 character crit damage seems pointless, as an offense set would boost the damage a lot more. My HK for example at g13 has over 5300 physical damage. Does anyone still use critical damage sets?

Well, nobody should be using a CD set on HK anyway since his AOE can't crit. He already should have been an offense set anyway, even before G13.

Agreed, on top of that he gets a boost to CD from leadership in most cases which means that offense set gives more damage even when he is critically hitting.

Yea I always had offense on HK for that reason, also they gain offense under DR lead from the rebuffs and ferocity.

"Vos_Landeck;c-1906326" wrote:

"Rosstheboss89;d-208288" wrote:
On a g13 character crit damage seems pointless, as an offense set would boost the damage a lot more. My HK for example at g13 has over 5300 physical damage. Does anyone still use critical damage sets?

Well, nobody should be using a CD set on HK anyway since his AOE can't crit. He already should have been an offense set anyway, even before G13.

"Palanthian;c-1906339" wrote:
If it's HK, offense. If it's Marauder, CD. If it's GG, health with a CD triangle (more bang for your buck than a health triangle).

in fact you can even run with a CD set on GG. The CC break point is about 66% with no health secondaries, closer to 60% with ~5% and 5000 flat health. The difference between CD set + triangle and health sets + CD triangle is pretty marginal though and doesn't change as he stacks health so it just depends which set has the better secondaries in that case.



don't forget to take account of Malak's crit avoidance though

"bisto_760;c-1906351" wrote:

And before someone jumps in with an exception, YES there are some situations where either will work. My explanation is intended to help people understand the principles.

There are definitely exceptions to those rules :p ;)