Why did they nerf Resistance?Even though the description now match the exposures behavior of RP, RT And Finn, why did they nerfed them although they were not even meta or OP?Zarris user got a chance to reapply their zeta for less than that, here you have three description change and clearly is nerf... Thanks for "respecting our investment".Edit: we should mention here, that we used a slightly modified definition of nerf. We have two perspectives. First is saying RT, RP and Finn were false advertised (as DS can trigger expose and expose again for example), then second, user base and many Reddit reader expected that the behavior was a bugged and the Devs never was contradicted for 5 months by any dev (unlike the coming modification to DN's 1st special who has been said to be under investigation).Edit2: to those who contradict, this is a nerf, this create a precedence in the debug history: if something is not WAI, Devs could solve the issue by changing the description in the detriment to the players who invested in skills and toons and justify it by saying it happened to Resistance. So think about twice before disagreeing.

Fixing something that hasn't worked correctly is not a nerf.

"Nikoms565;c-1060065" wrote:Fixing something that hasn't worked correctly is not a nerf. Agreed. This was a case of "not WAI". Same for my Zader. C'est la vie. It was good while it lasted.

but what exactly is not working as intended in this case? stacked exposes? then does that mean Jyn's lead won't result in stacked exposes? or that JKA can't stack exposes on himself as well? if that's what's to be fixed, then fix it across the board. and why wouldn't poe's skill mention the same exact thing?

Yep:/ res is dead now. Glad I haven't zeta'd r2s cleanse zeta yet at least...

"Nikoms565;c-1060065" wrote:Fixing something that hasn't worked correctly is not a nerf. Description did not say they could not expose over expose. And now they do. So now is worse than before, is it so hard to understand? Even though de facto nothing changed.Zader correction is indeed not working as intended, but not Resistance expose.

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Neo2551
8 years ago
"ThePixie;c-1060439" wrote:
"ThePixie;c-1060331" wrote:
What I will say first is that I am and have been using Resistance in Arena for over a month so I have some experience at the top of my shard.

There is a debate as to whether this was just a quick description change as it was easier than actually fixing it OR that it has been WAI in the first place.

Now we know that Finn, RP & RT can not apply expose on exposed targets but Poe can. Now there are differences between them. The first three deal damage whereas Poe doesn't when he applies expose. So already EA\CG are contradicting themselves by allowing Poe to continue as he is. This therefore suggests that IF Poe is correct than the rest would need to be corrected too.

Now take the example of Finn, they clearly feel that an exposed enemy can not be exposed at the end of Finn's special and they have corrected RT & Rey from getting countered when they remove buffs and applying Daze respectively which means the debuff is to be applied before the damage is applied. This means that the target in the case of Finn should be exposed twice (existing expose and one provided by Finn) and then the damage is applied so that at the end of the turn that target is not exposed anymore but should have received damage based on two exposes.

The simple fact in my opinion is one of two things should happen:

1. Expose is applied before damage
2. Expose is applied after damage.

Currently it is doing neither. We have to also remember that expose is a stackable debuff therefore why doesn't this apply to Resistance (excluding Poe) when it clearly applies for other characters?

Any opinions?

Your point is really good. I think we need feedback from the Devs.
jparker423
8 years ago
"tRRRey;c-1060205" wrote:
"SnakesOnAPlane;c-1060181" wrote:
"tRRRey;c-1060162" wrote:
"Onark;c-1060159" wrote:
Just read the other expose thread. I've never seen Sid reapply expose. Looking into the Jyn/Cassian situation...

Might have a point there

I just tested in GW and Sid does reapply expose

You managed 2 Sid AOEs before the toon with Expose had said first Expose expire on him? Sid's AOE causes damage, so it should have removed the Expose before applying the next Expose. Can you tell me your strategy so I can test?

No, my Sid consumed the expose applied by Poe's taunt and reapplied it with his aoe. If Finn, RT, or RP were attacking instead of Sid there would be no reapplied expose, hence the inconsistency

^this. The whole reason it's being called a nerf to resistance is because of this inconsistency. Resistance benefit heavily from expose so this sets a pretty terrible precedent.
thepixie86
8 years ago
"CF_Jedi1234;c-1060455" wrote:
"Neo2551;c-1060167" wrote:
DS expose over expose

https://youtu.be/n-6uaNwgpFE

And you see it triggered at least two exposes as Poe gains 70% TM

It is a friggin aoe, so it popped all exposes that were there and applied expose on everyone again.

So basically in that video DS AOE'd chars with expose..'popped' them and then applied his right? But EA\CG are saying that Finn, RP and RT are NOT allowed to do that.....why?
LiathSW
8 years ago
"Neo2551;c-1060306" wrote:
Edit2: to those who contradict, this is a nerf, this create a precedence in the debug history: if something is not WAI, Devs could solve the issue by changing the description in the detriment to the players who invested in skills and toons and justify it by saying it happened to Resistance. So think about twice before disagreeing.

Duh? Every time something that happens in the game doesn't match the description there are two possibilities: either it's a bug, or it's WAI and the description is wrong/misleading (or just misunderstood). Intelligent people actually phrase their questions that way instead of just screaming IT'S A BUG! They ASK the Devs "is this a bug or is it WAI?" The possibility that the Devs' response will be "this is WAI, perhaps the description isn't completely accurate, we should fix that" is absolutely nothing new.
thepixie86
8 years ago
On another note I have been looking at the mechanics for the resistance abilities and I can confirm that the following is happening.

For Resistance Trooper (RT) he is doing physical dmg first, applying expose and then doing expose dmg. So if you kill someone with expose..no one gains turn meter because the original non-expose dmg was applied first which is the killing blow. This is also why the expose doesn't get 'popped' and then re-applied.

Technically it should be expose dmg, physical dmg and then apply expose.
Persimius
New Scout
8 years ago
While I disagree with how this was handled, especially considering how other exposes work, this is not a nerf. It already was doing what the description will now read. It's a kick to the groin, maybe, but not a nerf.
emvedebe
8 years ago
i gave it some thought and i have to conclude it's probably for the best. If RT, RP and Finn could re-apply expose there would be a real possibility of just having endless turns.
fascizio
8 years ago
"ThePixie;c-1060469" wrote:
"CF_Jedi1234;c-1060455" wrote:
"Neo2551;c-1060167" wrote:
DS expose over expose

https://youtu.be/n-6uaNwgpFE

And you see it triggered at least two exposes as Poe gains 70% TM

It is a friggin aoe, so it popped all exposes that were there and applied expose on everyone again.

So basically in that video DS AOE'd chars with expose..'popped' them and then applied his right? But EA\CG are saying that Finn, RP and RT are NOT allowed to do that.....why?

Your answer is in the TM gain from that DS attack and @JacenRoe 's response on page 2. If resistance were allowed to reapply the TM gains would effectively be infinite to the point that they would be broken. Comparisons to other characters and leads don't apply because those other characters and leads don't gain additional effects from the expose, just the extra damage. The fact that this has always been different from other expose mechanics indicates they did it this way specifically to avoid infinite TM. It is, and was, WAI.

Now, that doesn't let them off the hook for explaining it poorly in the original description... If something is designed to be different they very much need to make it clear that it is, in fact, different.
jorgern92
8 years ago
"Neo2551;c-1060303" wrote:
"jarael;c-1060295" wrote:
so... should i zeta finn? i was planning on doing it this week but now i'm not so sure

Do you have R2 zetaed, GK and DN and insane mods? If yes, then go for it, otherwise keep it and go for Rex, Chaze

ok thanks! i'll use it on savage then
Neo2551
8 years ago
"leef;c-1060727" wrote:
i gave it some thought and i have to conclude it's probably for the best. If RT, RP and Finn could re-apply expose there would be a real possibility of just having endless turns.

So what? Rex, Chirrut, Cassian, ZGJ+Yoda are natural counter to Resistance. Tenacity up just destroy the whole mechanics. Taunt as well (to a lesser extent with R2). RG, Zarris, DT gain TM passively as well.

You could consider evasion as infinite TM as well as it does not matter for you to take turn if you can hit your opponent.

At least it would put Jedi as the de facto counter to Resistance and you would have a meta shift and maybe a balance as Zaul destroy Jedi. Only Rex could be more or less versatile.