Re: So am I the only one not thrilled about the new Loyal trait?
EA will do nothing that jeopardizes the games rating so this will never happen.
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Well I guess not unless we make noise about it. I'm not sure but I'd hazard a guess that the Player trait (from one of the romance aspirations) does work in gameplay in a somewhat similar manner as a Polyamorous trait would so it'd be totally doable to expand upon that to create a normal personality trait like that. I wish we could have it in the game. Well, I already have since I a have an "adult" mod that includes it but can't say I use it much but I like having the option.
I mean, at the end of the day the worst you're ever going to see in base game is some covers moving around. Why should a romance that is unconventional by some people's standards be seen as automatically too mature?
So, I mean the entire point of this thread is a type of queer relationship that the Sims does not support. Your comment shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to this issue and queer issues in general so I'm not sure why you're commenting on this thread.
I have some throuples in some of my games. I even have a post about how to get polyamory to work here: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion-Feedback/make-poly-relationships/m-p/10443449#M50356
I actually really like the new Loyal trait, because while I do play with polyamorous couples, I almost never play with infidelity. (I had an evil, noncommittal Sim have an affair with Don Lothario for a storyline, and I have played Black Widow, mainly because it was out of character for me and I wanted to break out of a rut.) But it would be nice to have some poly rep in the game, I agree. Poly acceptance is lagging behind LGBTQIA acceptance in society in general and the game in particular.
(That said, I was thrilled to have Ace visibility in the sexual orientation update, since my bestie is Ace. Also Aro rep. In general, I really like the sexual orientation settings, guys! But I agree that more poly rep would be nice.)
So the MCCC trait prevents the "Loyal Sims don't cheat" bit of the trait? That's great! I was worried I'd have to download more mods to get a Loyal trait that didn't interfere with poly couples.
I honestly don't know if the loyal trait prevents poly couples or not. I haven't tried it with them. Sorry, my post had an unclear referent in it. ☹️
I edited to make it clearer.
Oh, no problem! I could try to play test later. Still, though, not a great solution for people who can't use mods like console players.
This is kind of a side issue and I don't want to get too off topic, but...
In addition to gays and straights, there are also bisexuals/pansexuals and asexuals, and people who are transgender. Also, these things are considered by many to be a spectrum rather than an either/or thing. I really like how the game settings allow us to separate woohoo interest and romantic interest, to rep our Aro and Ace friends (or ourselves, if applicable!). I would love more nuance to represent demisexual or genderqueer Sims, however. Right now I'm setting my demi Sims as not interested in woohoo at all but exploring, which is... probably close enough, gameplay-wise, but I make a face at the idea of demisexuals "exploring" as opposed to being secure in their demi-ness.
The team is aware of how heavily gendered the game is, and this, sadly, impacts trans and genderqueer rep. As I said, they're aware and say they're working on it.
So I play tested the loyal trait using both MCCC for no jealousy and Lumpinou's polyamory mod. I was eventually able to get romance bars with the loyal Sim and both partners but he ended up with a 2-day tense moodlet from cheating that would refresh every time he'd romance the second partner as well as social options to "confess cheating" to his first partner.
Alas, but that's good to know. I'll be sure to avoid that trait for any of my poly Sims. Thanks for testing this out!
(And yes, I absolutely see your point about how equating monogamous with loyal is not exactly presenting polyamory in the best possible light!)
For info, since the loyal trait is mentioned in the thread title, just incase anyone is experiencing a bug with it, if it's making your Sims fall out here is a link to the thread for that issue. It's been merged with an existing thread about Sims being excessively mean to each other.
Thank you. I… haven’t patched yet and will put it off.
Oh my gosh why is everything so broken
I actually like this trait, only because I could barely have my sims in rooms with others without them autonomously flirting around their SO's and them having negative moodlets for ages and feeling randomly betrayed being around their spouse awhile after that. I cannot imagine this happening in my real life monogamous marriage where I flirt around my spouse in the same convo or room lol, so I was really hoping for a fix like this. There should be entirely different relationship structures for poly relationships but I'm kind of stoked that purely monogamous ones are actually an option now and my sims can mingle again without me being worried that they'll randomly flirt with strangers.
So, to your point, I did playtest the trait and Loyal Sims very much can still flirt with people who aren't their SOs, they just get a tense moodlet that lasts a long time when they do. The equation of being loyal with monogamy still leans into widespread negative stereotypes about people who are polyamorous that simply aren't true, and this is a pattern that has been present for years as the Player trait from completing the serial romantic aspiration also leans into this idea that people must be "playing the field" if they have multiple romantic interests who are okay with that dynamic. That is why I'm very unhappy with how this trait is supposed to function even if it weren't broken right now.
In my opinion, I think the romantic aspect of the loyal trait should be ditched, and a new option under the sexuality menu in CAS should be added to determine if a Sim does or does not want monogamy.
