Brave move with the new Muslim content. (In a good way)

"XxAirixX;c-17238135" wrote:

"tmcevoy1121;c-17237945" wrote:
So since they are adding "cultural things now" when are they going to add the American Indian Culture items or do they not count?

And stop putting outfits on my sims that I didn't have on them. Respect my wishes if you know how to do that.

Still waiting for that but basically given up hope on creating anything to honor my Tiwa (Pueblo) and other Native American ancestors. That side is always forgotten. It would be cool to build an Adobe house accurately with Southwestern style furniture, have Hopi kachina dolls or maybe have something to do with other and more well known tribes at least. I understand that they can't add everything as there are so many; but don't forget us in our own country at least.

That is why I asked. American Indians are always forgotten which makes me sad because of my Indian blood (Apache). True they should remember the American Indians considering we were here before anyone else but I don't want to get into all that on a forum.

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Alright everyone I've reviewed this thread and have removed some posts in here. I do appreciate you all keeping it as civil as possible but I do want to ask that we keep the discussion of religion out of the thread, you're welcome to continue discussing what is in the game as you have been doing however I do ask that you keep it within the rules and on topic.

If anyone wants to clarify something you're welcome to DM one of the moderation team and we'll be happy to answer what we can when we can.

In the meantime I'm re-opening this thread now.

"Simanite;c-17237004" wrote:

"Scobre;c-17236990" wrote:
I am happy about the patch. Inclusion is one of the things that I have been striving for with the Sims. I have a friend who had to flee his country as a baby and was interesting hearing his story about that. My ancestry came from immigration too, so I am open minded with regards to people from other cultures and countries. I went to school with many Muslim in college and university. There are Russians in my area that wear head coverings too so it isn't out of the norm where I live in America. I am thrilled that more Simmers can be represented in the game. As far as fashion, treating women like pieces of meat wearing next to nothing is far more degrading to me being a feminist and strong woman in my business industry. Far too often women get hired because of wearing short skirts. Don't even get me started how women are treated on Twitch based on fashion too. So yes considering I actually do have a little more insight to culture I am fine with this update and I hope the beautiful things that women wear in Africa with some of their head coverings are represented too. Also it is extremely hot so if you saw any of the behind the scenes in the making of Aladdin, you would have a bit more insight about head coverings from a Disney movie that kids watch. The sand storms alone wouldn't feel good on bare skin.

A woman wearing whatever she feels comfortable wearing is never "degrading," and nor should it open her up to receiving unwanted advances. We know that many women ARE sexualised in the western entertainment industry (especially in music), but that doesn't diminish the fact that countries that enforce women to cover up in public (such as Saudi Arabia) are equally toxic. If a woman feels comfortable wearing a bikini or a sheer dress she has the right to do so, just as a woman who feels comfortable wearing long-sleeved shirts and head-coverings has the right to do so, because we have the privilege (although it shouldn't be a privilege) of living in a democratic country with a free society. And so do our Sims.

If it was accurate the hijab would be covering the face as well. Because it is not shows it is representing women not forced by a man to show her beauty. Don't our Sims have the right to protect themselves from desert conditions? From having a mom who has fought skin cancer I am all for environmental protection. It isn't true freedom if people with restricted viewpoints have to enforce western fashions upon the world without their consent. Really research it beyond wiki which with college was the worst resource for writing papers and prohibited. My friend was going to be killed as a baby for being Muslim had not his mom kept him quiet from crying. So as far as restricting rights most people can't even read them not knowing cursive that it includes rights of all people including representing Simmers that are Muslim like my friend. He married a Canadian that graduated in religious studies and they are like family to me on Twitch.

"alejandro15039;c-17237333" wrote:

"Scobre;c-17237268" wrote:
5 myths about the hijab written by the Washington Post. I love that men can wear them too.https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-hijab/2019/03/15/d1f1ea52-45f6-11e9-8aab-95b8d80a1e4f_story.html?noredirect=on

This is a clear example of people that know nothing about islam religion, yes, maybe a muslim living in America is totally free to remove their hijab, but for Islam countries it's still a mandatory that women wear hijabs.

Edit: Remember that not everything revolves in America.
Edit 2: I'm talking about the article not your comment Scobre :smile:

Oh no worries thank you. Always nice to learn more. It has been really interesting watching movies and shows set in different countries like Islam and Saudi Arabia. My nephew's father is Muslim, so interesting learning about it more. My biggest fear is the hate he will face in school.

"MadameLee;c-17237365" wrote:


@Scobre if you don't mind me asking, is your sister Muslim/converted to Islam? I wouldn't be too worried about either your nephew or your brother-in-law(?) but more about your sister. It's Muslim women, mostly those who wear the hijab that get most of the hate. I never seen (ie news) Islamophobic people ever attacking (either by words, or by acts) Muslim men.

Nope, my bloodline is full of immigration and yeah we are not Muslim or Islam, but practice something else. The father doesn't know about my nephew. My brother-in-law that she married is Hispanic and has been the best father for both the boys who come from different fathers. My Canadian friend actually said he would never visit America because of the hate towards Muslims which is why his family lives in Canada now where it is more accepting of Muslims. Yeah national news doesn't really do the best job at sharing stories about religious attacks on people, but it is going on everyday still. But yes with my local news I have sadly against different racial groups including Muslim or anyone who looks different, so I am scared. Even my eldest nephew who is Hispanic has had discrimination shown to him when he was only five at the time. So yes children are equally at risk of hate crimes. But yes my family is very diverse of all different cultures around the world either by marriage or by blood. I am curious if the hijab was renamed to something else it would help things or not or what the solution to the new content would be. Removing content completely should never be a practice for any Sims game, but if Simmers have an idea of a better way to portray that part of that world, I think that ideas should be shared.

Also thank you @kirkuk. That makes sense that it varies by region just like different states in the United States have different fashion choices. I remember when moving from California to Oregon, I had to dress a lot more conservative and even my sister was sent a turtleneck because of some of her clothing wasn't modest enough.

"Scobre;c-17237422" wrote:

"MadameLee;c-17237365" wrote:
@Scobre if you don't mind me asking, is your sister Muslim/converted to Islam? I wouldn't be too worried about either your nephew or your brother-in-law(?) but more about your sister. It's Muslim women, mostly those who wear the hijab that get most of the hate. I never seen (ie news) Islamophobic people ever attacking (either by words, or by acts) Muslim men.

Nope, my bloodline is full of immigration and yeah we are not Muslim or Islam, but practice something else. The father doesn't know about my nephew. My brother-in-law that she married is Hispanic and has been the best father for both the boys who come from different fathers. My Canadian friend actually said he would never visit America because of the hate towards Muslims which is why his family lives in Canada now where it is more accepting of Muslims. Yeah national news doesn't really do the best job at sharing stories about religious attacks on people, but it is going on everyday still. But yes with my local news I have sadly against different racial groups including Muslim or anyone who looks different, so I am scared. Even my eldest nephew who is Hispanic has had discrimination shown to him when he was only five at the time. So yes children are equally at risk of hate crimes. But yes my family is very diverse of all different cultures around the world either by marriage or by blood. I am curious if the hijab was renamed to something else it would help things or not or what the solution to the new content would be. Removing content completely should never be a practice for any Sims game, but if Simmers have an idea of a better way to portray that part of that world, I think that ideas should be shared.
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I'm a Canadian... My Mom's sister married a man from Hong Kong. So as a child when I was the maternal grandparents with this sister..when she saw me, my sister or our other cousins (both girls)..we would get red Chinese envelopes that are handed out on Chinese New Year. Due to them and their brothers growing up in South Korea..I have a taste for Asian food of all kind. My Aunt's eldest child, a daughter has a long-term boyfriend who is from the country India. We learned in recently years one-of their (mom's and aunt's) sister-in-laws' ancestors were "Home Children" and also the sister-in-law (another aunt) is related to one of my high school school friends.

"Felice_Enellen;c-17237432" wrote:

"RustyCicuit;c-17237410" wrote:
Middle east in general has long and rich history and extensive tradition in outfits, so it was an odd choice to add hijab off all things.

Yes, you really have to wonder why they chose to focus on only these things, when so many exist.

I would love to hear more ideas on outfits and accessories for Sims to wear if either of you have any.

"Simanite;c-17237552" wrote:
@Scobre Hugs, sorry for getting heated. You are always a Simmer I respect.

Thanks and no worries. I am just not feeling well with a concussion, so just trying to encourage ideas from the community as a whole. I thought that the patch was only affecting one part of the community so it was enlightening to find out others were bothered by it too. I just hope the community comes up with a solution to keep our Middle Eastern Simmers happy because representing them I think is important. Yes I want other cultures represented too and all for inclusion. I hope that the Gurus are encouraged to make more inclusive content for Simmers and just love hearing ideas and learning about different parts of the world.

I think this discussion is going a rocky way , yes I do hope EA adds abit of all our traditions to the game, not just mine would be boring if it was just mine , what does the sims represents people and what are we people, we all come from different backgrounds , but guess what we are all the same. What I love about sims 4 and my game is that its mixed cultured and guess what theres no in racism, there is no prejudice