Can we please have toggles for Occults & other systems in game?

In all honesty, I actually prefer in game triggers, as well. My problem is that the folks who ignore said triggers are getting our games nerfed. They want toggles. If toggles for them will keep gameplay available for the rest of us, then I’m pro-toggles. Otherwise, the devs really need to toughen up and stand by the game as they designed it.

"Babykittyjade;c-18124358" wrote:
I think this is just one of those things people have to deal with if they want the B/B stuff. The gurus already confirmed they can't do many toggles for the sake of stability. They do what they can. And people never use the in game toggles.
Occults in ts4 is not very invasive and do a good job of staying hidden. You'll never even catch a spell caster doing magic.

I'd love it if they could do it so the stuff I enjoy could stop getting nerfed. But ts4 runs smoothly and I wouldn't want to sacrifice stability for it if it were to cause problems.

I think it's hard to say people don't use it when it's not there, the toggles for neighborhood stories seems fine, I certainly haven't had a more unstable game, and from my understanding people use them all the time. I certainly do. Just like I use toggles for aging on/off or rain on/off (I turn it off in the summers, too much rain annoys me).

The fact that occults "do a good job of staying hidden" is really a part of the problem. If I want to play a game filled with occults, I really don't want them to stay hidden. I want my spellcasters to do magic, my vampires to attack and my aliens to abduct. But I might also want a save that is completely realistic and then not want any of it - and that should be up to me, not the game.

A toggle isn't just so realistic players don't have to have the occult - it's just as much so that occult players can play their games to the max.

"cyncie;c-18125195" wrote:
In all honesty, I actually prefer in game triggers, as well. My problem is that the folks who ignore said triggers are getting our games nerfed. They want toggles. If toggles for them will keep gameplay available for the rest of us, then I’m pro-toggles. Otherwise, the devs really need to toughen up and stand by the game as they designed it.

I'm with you and others who prefer triggers, but in my case I've found some of them to be a bit unreliable. Sometimes they work as they're meant to, and other times the game seems to tell me, "Nope, I don't care what you want, you need ten random vampires in this neighborhood tonight, and that's that." Or similar things; vampires were just used as an example based on my most recent experience with a "trigger failure." :lol:

I have one save that I had originally intended not to allow vampires to roam (I have plenty of other saves where they do roam, and quite freely), and there were no sims in that save that I intended to become vamps, either. When I first loaded the save after I got the Vampires pack I set the front door to disallow vampy visits. No one studied Vampire Lore, no one visited Forgotten Hollow, and no vampire-related lot traits were involved, nor did even a single bit of garlic smell up the place. But on the very first night I noticed that four (possibly more, but four for certain) different vampires spawned into the neighborhood. Two were pre-mades (Caleb and Lilith), and two were randomly spawned townie types.

I have no idea why that happened; I hadn't done anything different from other saves other than actively avoiding all the triggers I knew about. I also don't have any occult-specific mods that would increase the likelihood of their spawning. It's possible that some mod mysteriously influenced things in some way, but if so, it makes no sense why it would be so inconsistent. I've had other mishaps with some triggers for other occult types as well, though not terribly often, and some of them happened before I used mods other than CC. Still, those kinds of things are why I'd like to have some actual toggles. Those at least do tend to be reliable when we have them.

Edit: I can't believe I forgot to add that I don't think they would actually remove triggers in favor of toggles, nor do I think they should be removed. When I beg for toggles I mean in addition to what's already there! :)

I would kind of like to see something like this on an occult by occult level.

Personally, I won't buy Get to Work because I absolutely do not want aliens in my game. I'd love to play around with some of the other features of that expansion, but I don't want aliens. I just don't like Sci-Fi in my Fantasy... it's a thing. At the same time, I'd love to see my other occults acting occult-y. Give me the option to turn up random vampire attacks and mischievous spellcasters... and give me the option to turn them back down if it gets too much for my personal taste.

Options are good.

I hope they add toggles to the Ghosts & Aliens as well. I don't like Ghost breaking things & for my male sims to unexpectedly be abducted & pregnant. I want to be able to have more control of my households.

"SERVERFRA;c-18126857" wrote:
I hope they add toggles to the Ghosts & Aliens as well. I don't like Ghost breaking things & for my male sims to unexpectedly be abducted & pregnant. I want to be able to have more control of my households.

I have to ask, how many times has the abduction event triggered for you since the nerf? I can genuinely say I haven't had a single abduction since the nerf nor a single alien pregnancy at all in 4 and I've played since launch purchasing every pack pretty close to launch (except Batuu).

They even patched the satellite controls so you could turn abductions completely off with an ingame object, even in the scientist career which is a trigger for aliens.

"Hearts4u;c-18126848" wrote:
Yeah, they're adding a pack setting that I've wanted for the longest.

After watching the werewolf livestream, I'm happy that they included the option to limit werewolves to Moonwood Mill. Having this feature will allow everyone to play the way they want to play. Hopefully, there should not be any request to nerf features since you don't have to have werewolves appearing in other worlds.

It will be truly happy days if we can get this added to all previous occults, so then the non-occult players will quit wrecking our fun. I don't mind that some people don't share our passion for occults, everybody has their favorites and their own gameplay style. But it gets old losing out on having our gameplay at it's fullest because some people want the CAS and BB and not the main thing the pack was supposed to be about, the occults. There should be no reason to see any feature of this pack nerfed now.

Agreed! People who hate occults are not going to stop buying occult packs just for BB/CAS. That much is clear. They created a toggle for the werewolf pack so that werewolves won't show up outside of Moonwood Mills, but having a full-on set of toggles for occult spawning and behavior like the MC Command Center mod has would be ideal.

I play with all the occults, and I still would like to have on/off toggles regarding random generation of them.

I have a lot of different saves, with a lot of different story and world concepts. Some of those stories include random occult types running around, and some don't. I'd like to be able to choose.

In game triggers don't always cut-it for my story concepts. For example, in one story the alien I am playing is supposed to be the only alien on the planet. He's the field agent sent to study humans and report back to Sixam about them. Trouble is, the in-game trigger of making and playing an alien causes the game to allow undisguised aliens to be generated and triggers a lot of alien abductions to happen. It's kind of hard to pretend my alien is the only one on the planet when aliens keep turning up all over the place. I can ignore them, but it's kind of immersion breaking. It would be nice to just be able to change a setting so that no random aliens get created by the game and alien abductions are turned off until the story reaches a point where I want them to happen.

The same is true for any of the other occults and occult related activities. I'd like to be able to say "In this story vampires break into people's houses and bite them, and people have to protect themselves. But in this other story that does not happen because there's only one vampire left in the world and he's a pacifist who doesn't do that." And be able to set-up each of those story concepts in the game with a few simple settings.

Toggles for population control and gameplay features can be a useful tool for any story-based player. Not just people who want the pack for the CAS and BB items. I'm always in favor of giving the players more tools and controls for playing the way they want to.

I would like toggles because I usually play with a lot of occult sims in a save, or seek to have none at all.