Don't Complain if You Buy The Pack

"calaprfy;c-17780751" wrote:
I'm a realism player but I purchased Vampires for a bit of fun. Once the fun lost its novelty, I went back to realism.

I really enjoyed Forgotten Hollow; it was so relaxing to watch at night. I got a little excited come night time in case there was a break-in. I wanted Vlad to be the only vampire in the game and add him to my rotation so I could mostly play realism then a week of chaos. However, the game generated NPC vampires and even gave them jobs. I did not like this so disabled Vampires.

Notice I said I disabled Vampires and not went blubbing to the devs to nerf vampires.

I did the exact same thing. Back when Vampires pack came out i didn't play occults. But i love the bb. So i bought the pack, played a bit, and then disabled it. Nowadays i'm all into occults and i'm really happy that i bought the pack back then. But yeah, you wouldn't find me asking to nerf vampires... i didn't like it, i disabled it.

"Brinn;c-17780704" wrote:

"CelSims;c-17780678" wrote:


Anyway, bring on more packs where they give us a lot by lot option like in this one. Either an object or a lot trait to ban occults. NOT to allow them, I paid for the features and I want them as default. Imagine buying seasons and having to use a lot trait on every lot to turn on the weather.

It might be more convenient for a none occult player who just loves that cute sofa, or some one who wants to have magic on one or two lots to just have to change a couple lots but making people that want a more fantastical world have to go through every lot in the game in every new save to turn it on? No, cater to those who want it, for once.

Everyone pays for the pack, not only you. So why your opinion must be put above the other players'? Those who want to have magic here and there (but not everywhere), plus those who wanted a lovely sofa, plus those who collect every pack - they are... I mean we are - the majority. So our complaints will be heard. And we will complain if some gameplay is ruining our saves.

Because they're occult specific packs and aimed at occult players. Yes, everyone is allowed to buy whatever pack they would like. But if you're buying an occult themed pack, you should expect occult gameplay to be on by default

If anything, it's the realism players who should have to go out of their way to disable occults if they don't want them "ruining" their games or a particular save. Why should they be put above occult fans when the pack itself is dedicated to occult play?

Occult fans shouldn't have to jump through hoops to make their occult sims behave the way they're supposed to in an occult pack.


I can understand in Island Living, having to actually interact with mermaids in order for them to show up in your game since mermaids aren't the main feature of Island Living. But Spellcasters, which are the main feature of Realm of Magic should use their magic by default. Just as vampires should look for someone to drink from or use plasma packs if their thirst is too low, rather than just being uncomfortable the whole time.

"calaprfy;c-17780751" wrote:
I'm a realism player but I purchased Vampires for a bit of fun. Once the fun lost its novelty, I went back to realism.

I really enjoyed Forgotten Hollow; it was so relaxing to watch at night. I got a little excited come night time in case there was a break-in. I wanted Vlad to be the only vampire in the game and add him to my rotation so I could mostly play realism then a week of chaos. However, the game generated NPC vampires and even gave them jobs. I did not like this so disabled Vampires.

Notice I said I disabled Vampires and not went blubbing to the devs to nerf vampires.

This. Thank you for actually going about this the proper way.

"MeowchaFrappe;c-17780807" wrote:

"Brinn;c-17780704" wrote:

"CelSims;c-17780678" wrote:


Anyway, bring on more packs where they give us a lot by lot option like in this one. Either an object or a lot trait to ban occults. NOT to allow them, I paid for the features and I want them as default. Imagine buying seasons and having to use a lot trait on every lot to turn on the weather.

It might be more convenient for a none occult player who just loves that cute sofa, or some one who wants to have magic on one or two lots to just have to change a couple lots but making people that want a more fantastical world have to go through every lot in the game in every new save to turn it on? No, cater to those who want it, for once.

Everyone pays for the pack, not only you. So why your opinion must be put above the other players'? Those who want to have magic here and there (but not everywhere), plus those who wanted a lovely sofa, plus those who collect every pack - they are... I mean we are - the majority. So our complaints will be heard. And we will complain if some gameplay is ruining our saves.

Because they're occult specific packs and aimed at occult players. Yes, everyone is allowed to buy whatever pack they would like. But if you're buying an occult themed pack, you should expect occult gameplay to be on by default

If anything, it's the realism players who should have to go out of their way to disable occults if they don't want them "ruining" their games or a particular save. Why should they be put above occult fans when the pack itself is dedicated to occult play?

Occult fans shouldn't have to jump through hoops to make their occult sims behave the way they're supposed to in an occult pack.


I can understand in Island Living, having to actually interact with mermaids in order for them to show up in your game since mermaids aren't the main feature of Island Living. But Spellcasters, which are the main feature of Realm of Magic should use their magic by default. Just as vampires should look for someone to drink from or use plasma packs if their thirst is too low, rather than just being uncomfortable the whole time.

"calaprfy;c-17780751" wrote:
I'm a realism player but I purchased Vampires for a bit of fun. Once the fun lost its novelty, I went back to realism.

I really enjoyed Forgotten Hollow; it was so relaxing to watch at night. I got a little excited come night time in case there was a break-in. I wanted Vlad to be the only vampire in the game and add him to my rotation so I could mostly play realism then a week of chaos. However, the game generated NPC vampires and even gave them jobs. I did not like this so disabled Vampires.

Notice I said I disabled Vampires and not went blubbing to the devs to nerf vampires.

This. Thank you for actually going about this the proper way.

Exactly! An Occult-specific pack should be expected, by default, to have Occult gameplay. End of story.

And I do also believe that there should be some mechanics or in-game methods in place to avoid it, because that's intuitive. The Vampires pack had such a mechanic (garlic) which was part of the gameplay. Even just having a garlic plant in a pot can make Vampires uncomfortable.

But when in doubt, in an Occult-centric pack, the gameplay should cater, by default, to Occult activity. I mean, put it this way, you wouldn't expect to have to go out of your way in Parenthood to study character values before you could use them, right? Lol. Or have the dining experience in a pack called "Dine Out" turned off by default until the player can get their Sim skilled to an acceptable level of restaurant knowledge.

We're talking about the basic intuitive mechanics of a pack theme. Don't like it, don't buy it, and if you do, take responsibility for finding work-arounds. I still haven't purchased Parenthood because of how invasive child and toddler messes are. I could get a mod, sure, but mods break with every patch, and it's not worth the risk to me because I hate that feature that much. Crying to the devs to turn it down to nothing to suit my own gameplay would be selfish and ridiculous. It's part of the entire parenting process. Do I want the pack for other features? Most definitely. But I had to weigh that against what I don't want and in the end, bypassed it. It's not that hard to live without something once in a while.

I totally agree with the above posts.

Back when the vampire pack came out, I was really undecided about whether to get it. Vampires were not something I wanted at the time, but I adored the build buy stuff and really wanted it. I heard about the garlic solution and decided to risk it, but I knew full well it was down to me if vampires appeared in my game after buying a vampire pack.

Happily, I enjoyed the whole pack (yes, even the vampires) but if I had decided they were too invasive then that would have been my own tough luck and up to me to find a way around it or disable the pack.

It is grossly unfair of the devs to nerf a feature that people have paid for. To me, that would be like ordering a cheese burger in McDonald's and being given the burger with no cheese because people had complained it was too cheesy.

My ideal game would have a settings screen you could bring up for each world that let you select some basic rules for NPCs in that world. So you could choose if vampires, aliens or spellcasters would appear in each world as NPCs. Your sims could go where they wanted when you are playing them, but when you're playing a different household they would only appear as background sims if you've allowed them in that world. That way you don't have to disable the vampire pack and never play your vampires again just because you don't want them in Sulani or Strangerville. And where you say they are allowed, they can use all of their powers as much as they want (well, maybe they could tune the AI a bit so the spellcasters don't cast inferniate incessantly and occasionally do useful things instead - but that's an overall autonomy problem).

If they could disable all outside NPCs from appearing on Batuu, they should be able to do something like that, I would think.

"Brinn;c-17780704" wrote:

"CelSims;c-17780678" wrote:



Anyway, bring on more packs where they give us a lot by lot option like in this one. Either an object or a lot trait to ban occults. NOT to allow them, I paid for the features and I want them as default. Imagine buying seasons and having to use a lot trait on every lot to turn on the weather.

It might be more convenient for a none occult player who just loves that cute sofa, or some one who wants to have magic on one or two lots to just have to change a couple lots but making people that want a more fantastical world have to go through every lot in the game in every new save to turn it on? No, cater to those who want it, for once.

Everyone pays for the pack, not only you. So why your opinion must be put above the other players'? Those who want to have magic here and there (but not everywhere), plus those who wanted a lovely sofa, plus those who collect every pack - they are... I mean we are - the majority. So our complaints will be heard. And we will complain if some gameplay is ruining our saves.

Sorry but this doesn't make sense to me, if you are truly the majority as you say then why would EA bother releasing occult packs to begin with? These packs clearly sell well otherwise they wouldn't have made 3 already.
I don't know why this is a problem all of a sudden, I mean The Sims series have been full of occult content since the first game even.

I think that, regardless of what side you argue on, the point right now is that there are currently new in-game ways to avoid Vampires so therefore, devs should restore the original Vampire feeding break-ins back to how they were when the pack first released.

"Daephene;c-17781002" wrote:
My ideal game would have a settings screen you could bring up for each world that let you select some basic rules for NPCs in that world.

I would love that too, not so much for occults in my case but for other NPC settings, more control over NPCs spawning (and their clothing) would generally be a good idea I think, for both realistic and occult players.

If there's one thing I hate, it's laundry. I hate the way things get dirty so fast, that then my Sims leave it lying around and get Uncomfortable and just seem incapable of doing laundry in any way even slightly efficiently. However there's something I've noticed - if you don't like doing laundry, don't buy laundry machines. I didn't go and ask for Laundry to be nerfed for 'realism' players, but it's the realism players who demanded something tedious like Laundry and then said it was too hard to be part of the game.

*everyone's opinion about turning occults on and off as the mood strikes em* Apperently no one is like me who will just have all occults on and never NOT make an occult sim.