Even if the new Parenthood traits didn't make a difference...

"Toxicdirt_scummm;c-15809936" wrote:
so far the only difference I see is a new skill? and the toddlers take forever to level up any of their parenting perks.

I figure that's intentional. If the toddlers were already halfway through learning their values, then there wouldn't be much to parent them on when they're in the child or teenage phase, now would there?

From what I've seen so far, toddlers seem to learn values the slowest, kids a bit faster, and have more ways of getting there, and teens can learn and reach the top levels more quickly.

"liliaeth;c-15810767" wrote:

"Toxicdirt_scummm;c-15809936" wrote:
so far the only difference I see is a new skill? and the toddlers take forever to level up any of their parenting perks.

I figure that's intentional. If the toddlers were already halfway through learning their values, then there wouldn't be much to parent them on when they're in the child or teenage phase, now would there?

From what I've seen so far, toddlers seem to learn values the slowest, kids a bit faster, and have more ways of getting there, and teens can learn and reach the top levels more quickly.

I wouldn't want the toddlers learning too much too soon. They are too young to truly grasp these skills and can only gain a base knowledge, plus the trait you pick for when they age to child can change these anyhow. For instance if you pick hotheaded they start in the red for empathy and emotional control.

I haven't gotten this yet, so a couple of questions. 1) What's the story, do those traits make a difference when the sim ages up to YA? 2) The new traits like responsible and good manners, are they added as the 3rd major trait that a sim gets after teen, or is it like a bonus trait? Is it a trait that can be added in CAS?

"CorkysPetals;c-15822068" wrote:
I haven't gotten this yet, so a couple of questions. 1) What's the story, do those traits make a difference when the sim ages up to YA? 2) The new traits like responsible and good manners, are they added as the 3rd major trait that a sim gets after teen, or is it like a bonus trait? Is it a trait that can be added in CAS?

Yes, the traits do make a difference. Not all Sims will get them on growing up, though - you need to end up especially high or especially low on a character value to get one. So it should, I think, not get repetitive fast.

They work like bonus traits, and your YA Sim could get anywhere from 0 to 5 of them.

They can't be added in CAS but there are cheats.

@luthienrising

Thanks for the answers, sounds like the devs put a lot into the pack.

> @Pegasys said:
> this pack would still be worth it.
>
> A lot of people are wondering whether the final traits make a difference to the personality of a YA. I haven't played a YA who has earned any Character Value traits yet, so I can't make any comments to that one way or the other.
>
> However, even if they didn't... this pack is about the whole experience of raising offspring. And so far the pack has definitely achieved that. In a similar way, playing toddlers doesn't significantly change the personality of the sim after they age up, but players feel more bonded to their sims and families having played through the toddler stage. This is what, in my opinion, Parenthood does for the child and teen stage. And any new traits / personality additions are icing on the cake.

I find the traits make a big difference. I had my teen grow up to YA with 3 of the 5 positive traits. Manners was one of them, she makes friends super easy now and everyone seems to like her a lot. I spent a good hour going around the city and meeting new people using the polite greeting witch gets the relationship bar 25% up (instant hugs) and talking it up with other npc sims and you know what I had a blast! I never liked talking to other sims before but this trait makes it so much easier. She went home and threw a huge party and invited all the sims she met to it.

Another trait she has is compassion. One day her teen brother came home with a bad mood swing. He was in his bed crying from it all day, the YA sim went to her brother and calmed his emotions breathing in and out (there was this weird light going from her to him) and made him super happy then they started doing a project together and he went from very sad to very happy being around his sister.

The last trait she got on age up was responsible. One time she was at work and a chance card popped up saying someone made a mistake what should she do. I choose be honest and a message popped up saying because she was responsible the chance card gave her a medium performance boost.

Even with 3 positive traits Ive found game-play to be hard. Sure she was good and had manners but when she was around sims with bad manners or slobs she didnt like it at all. She would autonomously be mean and tease or have an awkward conversation. I also found that she would always need her brother to act a cretin way around her and if he didn't she would approach him try to correct it. They have a good relationship so she was never mean to him ( at least that why i think she was never mean to him cause everyone else she didn't like she was a bit rude too) all I can say is THANK GOD they grew up the same way so when she tries to correct him he has a positive response to it. ( he has full manners )

Over all I did an experiment with the same family and grew her up with no traits and sims act differently and are treated by other sims differently. The little things ive noticed such as a sim with good manners dont like to be around sims doing bad manner stuff and always choose to do good manner stuff. But id say at least for me its made a huge difference.

Ever since I got the pack my sims aging up to young adults dont get that third trait. The two traits they had as teens are what they have for life. Before I got that pack they would get a third like every other sim. I have tried many things and no I do not want to cheat on this save. At all. Considering uninstalling parenthood.