This is what I have found with Game-changers making the builds for packs: Almost all of them are buggy, or have obvious flaws that someone who has played the game for a long time should instinctively know. I think, so far, there are only two lots total of all Official game-changer built lots I have used so far: James' starter home in Snowy Escape is absolutely great, but it is kept very simple on purpose, and Deli's Onsen.Some examples that show what I am talking about:The pub in the new pack (don't remember the name of the builder, I don't follow him on the 'Tube): A kitchen in a bar? Seriously? EVERYONE should know that is a no-no. It's almost as weird a mistake as putting in double bars or something.Lilsimsies houses in Snowy Escape (especially the house in the town): VERY badly laid out, tons of inaccessible platforms that makes an already cramped house even more so due to literally wasting space.The "Crane" house in Eco Living where the ceiling lamp over the bed makes it unusable. That is an actual Rookie Mistake. I must say that several of the Game-changers have made me realize they are not good builders. At all. They make PRETTY builds, but even when using strict rules set by EA they manage to break builds. It's like the difference IRL between an actual Architect and an "Interior Designer". One is capable of planning an efficient well-planned building, the other make cool-looking accent walls.

Kitchens in bars is evidently a pub thing in the UK, where there is some actual food being served alongside drinks. Devon was going on about how pub lunches are a real big thing and I did see some gameplay that expaneded the food menu for bars with new offerings.But yeah, I weirdly find myself leaning more towards the basic "EA builds" because then I can make it for me. I played the Akiyama's household a lot and I find myself going..."how the heck would I make an addition or a renovation to this lot?" I like the crane build because it's real unique but I had to smoosh in a lot of things I would naturally add on in weird ways, like solar pannels and insect farms.Oh and I did a full replacement of the Nishidake household because I really didn't think the on-suite bathrooms would be a real common thing for a home like that. It's a weird thing I was really hung up on.It's weird.

Didn't we have a topic on this subject before? What is wrong with double bars? Your sim will always be able to get a drink even if he has to make it himself.

"crocobaura;c-17929182" wrote:Didn't we have a topic on this subject before? What is wrong with double bars? Your sim will always be able to get a drink even if he has to make it himself. Because the game doesn't spawn double bartenders. Same with DJs. SO if you have one bar in say the VIP area and one not, and the bartender randomly spawns for the VIP bar... then your non-VIP sim is SOL and can't buy a drink.(And obviously it's not a big deal for you, but I don't have Sims make their own drinks on public lots because why should I? Then there's no reason to go to a public lot to get a drink).

"Handel;c-17929181" wrote:Kitchens in bars is evidently a pub thing in the UK, where there is some actual food being served alongside drinks. Devon was going on about how pub lunches are a real big thing and I did see some gameplay that expaneded the food menu for bars with new offerings.But yeah, I weirdly find myself leaning more towards the basic "EA builds" because then I can make it for me. I played the Akiyama's household a lot and I find myself going..."how the heck would I make an addition or a renovation to this lot?" I like the crane build because it's real unique but I had to smoosh in a lot of things I would naturally add on in weird ways, like solar pannels and insect farms.Oh and I did a full replacement of the Nishidake household because I really didn't think the on-suite bathrooms would be a real common thing for a home like that. It's a weird thing I was really hung up on.It's weird.Exactly. Heck James is probably my favorite "Celeb builder" but even he makes mistakes. The Lounge in Snowy Escape for example, where he should have known that putting a piano where he put it doesn't work. The obvious intention was to have people sit and listen, but the piano is too far away so all the Sims will either not be close enough to hear it, OR walk up on the stage and stand around it instead of sitting at the tables half a room away and listen.It's a small thing and not game breaking, but it is an obvious sign of someone caring only for looks, not functionality.

"Beardedgeek;c-17929184" wrote:"crocobaura;c-17929182" wrote:Didn't we have a topic on this subject before? What is wrong with double bars? Your sim will always be able to get a drink even if he has to make it himself. Because the game doesn't spawn double bartenders. Same with DJs. SO if you have one bar in say the VIP area and one not, and the bartender randomly spawns for the VIP bar... then your non-VIP sim is SOL and can't buy a drink.(And obviously it's not a big deal for you, but I don't have Sims make their own drinks on public lots because why should I? Then there's no reason to go to a public lot to get a drink).I see what you mean, but that is a design flaw. The cantina in Batuu has several bars and they work nicely together. I like to add two bars or coffee carts because sometimes the summoned NPC doesn't feel like working but they are still hogging the station.

Gamechangers that "should" know what not to do in a build

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handelgamer
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
Kitchens in bars is evidently a pub thing in the UK, where there is some actual food being served alongside drinks. Devon was going on about how pub lunches are a real big thing and I did see some gameplay that expaneded the food menu for bars with new offerings.

But yeah, I weirdly find myself leaning more towards the basic "EA builds" because then I can make it for me. I played the Akiyama's household a lot and I find myself going..."how the heck would I make an addition or a renovation to this lot?" I like the crane build because it's real unique but I had to smoosh in a lot of things I would naturally add on in weird ways, like solar pannels and insect farms.

Oh and I did a full replacement of the Nishidake household because I really didn't think the on-suite bathrooms would be a real common thing for a home like that. It's a weird thing I was really hung up on.

It's weird.
crocobaura
Legend
4 years ago
Didn't we have a topic on this subject before? What is wrong with double bars? Your sim will always be able to get a drink even if he has to make it himself.
Beardedgeek72
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
"crocobaura;c-17929182" wrote:
Didn't we have a topic on this subject before? What is wrong with double bars? Your sim will always be able to get a drink even if he has to make it himself.

Because the game doesn't spawn double bartenders. Same with DJs. SO if you have one bar in say the VIP area and one not, and the bartender randomly spawns for the VIP bar... then your non-VIP sim is SOL and can't buy a drink.

(And obviously it's not a big deal for you, but I don't have Sims make their own drinks on public lots because why should I? Then there's no reason to go to a public lot to get a drink).
Beardedgeek72
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
"Handel;c-17929181" wrote:
Kitchens in bars is evidently a pub thing in the UK, where there is some actual food being served alongside drinks. Devon was going on about how pub lunches are a real big thing and I did see some gameplay that expaneded the food menu for bars with new offerings.

But yeah, I weirdly find myself leaning more towards the basic "EA builds" because then I can make it for me. I played the Akiyama's household a lot and I find myself going..."how the heck would I make an addition or a renovation to this lot?" I like the crane build because it's real unique but I had to smoosh in a lot of things I would naturally add on in weird ways, like solar pannels and insect farms.

Oh and I did a full replacement of the Nishidake household because I really didn't think the on-suite bathrooms would be a real common thing for a home like that. It's a weird thing I was really hung up on.

It's weird.

Exactly. Heck James is probably my favorite "Celeb builder" but even he makes mistakes. The Lounge in Snowy Escape for example, where he should have known that putting a piano where he put it doesn't work. The obvious intention was to have people sit and listen, but the piano is too far away so all the Sims will either not be close enough to hear it, OR walk up on the stage and stand around it instead of sitting at the tables half a room away and listen.
It's a small thing and not game breaking, but it is an obvious sign of someone caring only for looks, not functionality.
crocobaura
Legend
4 years ago
"Beardedgeek;c-17929184" wrote:
"crocobaura;c-17929182" wrote:
Didn't we have a topic on this subject before? What is wrong with double bars? Your sim will always be able to get a drink even if he has to make it himself.

Because the game doesn't spawn double bartenders. Same with DJs. SO if you have one bar in say the VIP area and one not, and the bartender randomly spawns for the VIP bar... then your non-VIP sim is SOL and can't buy a drink.

(And obviously it's not a big deal for you, but I don't have Sims make their own drinks on public lots because why should I? Then there's no reason to go to a public lot to get a drink).

I see what you mean, but that is a design flaw. The cantina in Batuu has several bars and they work nicely together. I like to add two bars or coffee carts because sometimes the summoned NPC doesn't feel like working but they are still hogging the station.
Beardedgeek72
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
"crocobaura;c-17929190" wrote:
"Beardedgeek;c-17929184" wrote:
"crocobaura;c-17929182" wrote:
Didn't we have a topic on this subject before? What is wrong with double bars? Your sim will always be able to get a drink even if he has to make it himself.

Because the game doesn't spawn double bartenders. Same with DJs. SO if you have one bar in say the VIP area and one not, and the bartender randomly spawns for the VIP bar... then your non-VIP sim is SOL and can't buy a drink.

(And obviously it's not a big deal for you, but I don't have Sims make their own drinks on public lots because why should I? Then there's no reason to go to a public lot to get a drink).

I see what you mean, but that is a design flaw. The cantina in Batuu has several bars and they work nicely together. I like to add two bars or coffee carts because sometimes the summoned NPC doesn't feel like working but they are still hogging the station.

I have never seen the inside of any buildings in Batuu for obvious reasons but the bar in the Jungle pack are two short bars next to each other. That works very nicely, but that was not what I was talking about since it doesn't matter which bar the bartender actually is standing behind in that case.
logionX
Legend
4 years ago
I think they look pretty good, they are way better than the builds that we have gotten previously. I prefer a small mistake from a gamechanger compared to the mistakes that we got in previous packs.
Beardedgeek72
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
"logion;c-17929196" wrote:
Eh, I think they are fine, they are way better than the builds that we have gotten previously. I prefer a small mistake from a gamechanger compared to the mistakes that we got in previous packs.

I have to agree with @Handel , I have a whole new appriciation for how good the EA builds are to actually play in, and have put back several EA builds in my save file and replaced "Renos" I have put in. They just work better, you never have to worry about MOO screwing things up, and so on.
Plus I find a lot of EA builds only need like a 10 minutes touch-up to be REALLY good while if you want to change something in a game-changer build you almost have to knock down all the walls and start over. There is no room for expanding or just "put the bar on the short end instead of the long end" simple touches because everything is so cramped.

...But good looking.
HaneulFier
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
I like the kitchen in the pub and agree with Aiden's reasons for adding it. I also don't like how empty EA's normal community lots are, so I appreciate them using the Gamechangers'.

I build my own residential lots so I don't really care about them either way. But I do prefer having the prettier lots as a base. @Beardedgeek It seems like your design preferences don't match those of most of the community, so you may just have to make renovations on your own.
ncisGibbs_BOSS
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
"Beardedgeek;d-991713" wrote:
This is what I have found with Game-changers making the builds for packs: Almost all of them are buggy, or have obvious flaws that someone who has played the game for a long time should instinctively know.

I think, so far, there are only two lots total of all Official game-changer built lots I have used so far: James' starter home in Snowy Escape is absolutely great, but it is kept very simple on purpose, and Deli's Onsen.

Some examples that show what I am talking about:

The pub in the new pack (don't remember the name of the builder, I don't follow him on the 'Tube): A kitchen in a bar? Seriously? EVERYONE should know that is a no-no. It's almost as weird a mistake as putting in double bars or something.

Lilsimsies houses in Snowy Escape (especially the house in the town): VERY badly laid out, tons of inaccessible platforms that makes an already cramped house even more so due to literally wasting space.

The "Crane" house in Eco Living where the ceiling lamp over the bed makes it unusable. That is an actual Rookie Mistake.

I must say that several of the Game-changers have made me realize they are not good builders. At all. They make PRETTY builds, but even when using strict rules set by EA they manage to break builds. It's like the difference IRL between an actual Architect and an "Interior Designer". One is capable of planning an efficient well-planned building, the other make cool-looking accent walls.

I kept James starter home and Deli’s onsen as well.
All other community lots were replaced.

Renovating the houses was difficult so I’ve turned all the middle and upper neighbourhood of Mount Komorebi into rentals.

I do miss the crane lot ?. And all the chairs from Eco Lifestyle ?.

I did decorate the interior of the crane differently but again left the outside intact as it’s hard to make structural changes.